LMS Tourney?

[Z-Man]

Wow, how ignorant. ...

I'm not sure how anyone with normal cognitive skills ...Think things through before you post next time. You should apologize so we can move on.

Now, this is an excellent example of a posting style you should avoid and where I may step in as moderator in the future. Especially since the issue, the date collision, has already been declared a mistake. It's even worse than what vogue and Phytotron are spitting at each other some posts up. Just saying, and not singling out the poster in any way.

[Mecca]

You're going to call anyone else an attention ho? Are you kidding? Get real (if you're even capable, which is certainly questionable).

You didn't you refute (or understand) my point, either. Your assertion that the opinions of someone actively involved in something necessarily or automatically takes de facto analytical or contributive priority over one who isn't, is illogical. (That's the kind of mentality that totalitarians and fascists love.)

Fact is, with exception to subby and Lack, I've been playing this game longer than I think anyone else in this thread, particularly those who are intent on running and participating in this tourney thing. I've worked on servers, including largely designing one of the more popular 'classic LMS' servers this game has seen (Swampy originated it as a small Swampland, but I engineered and "perfected"—his words—the settings to make it what it became). This isn't arrogance, bragging or immodesty; it's a statement of simple "credentials." I know the settings, and I know what makes a good 'LMS' game—a "game mode" that some of you don't even play regularly, if ever—and how to do so without gimmicky or ridiculous settings (high rubber, included). Most of you, I wager, came to this game well after all the zone-based game modes came into being and don't even know what a standard server looks like, let alone appreciate one (without wacky settings like dangling shiny objects). Therefore, I would argue that my input is at least as valid and worthwhile in an advisory capacity as any of yours, if not more so in some cases.


That said, I think we all know that you are not interested in the merits of any argument.

You are now incorrect on the statement in bold

Phytotron, you logic is flawed. Professional sports players do not have much of(if any) say in what team they play for, or w/e. because they are 1. Getting paid and 2. Signed contracts(or at least I assume). If the people on tron do not like the rules/settings of a competition, they won't play in it. Why would anyone bother in playing in a tournament that they do not benefit from in any way? Maybe if you participated in competitions, your setting suggestions would be taken into more consideration.


@Compguy: The settings are great, do not change a thing (no matter what Ancient Program has to say)

[sinewav]

Now, this is an excellent example of a posting style you should avoid...

Hmm... Looks like I'm the one who needs to apologize. Sorry INW, I was shocked by your comments and reacted badly.

And to everyone else, I'm sorry I lost my cool. It's been difficult to come here lately. There seems to be a lot of hostility and I guess it's rubbed off a bit. I'll make an effort to be more reserved.

[Phytotron]

Mecca, lack of cognitive skills—reading comprehension and reason. Read the entire post preceding that (actually two before). Sports was but one example of several that I used, and I didn't even specify professional athletics (indeed, where I did specifically reference the NCAA basketball tournament, that's amateur athletics). Nor have I made any comment regarding players having a say in what team they play for. Why do people get hung up on one little bit and ignore all the rest? [ ... ]

(And, to correct you anyway, professional athletes do often have a say in which team they play for. They can negotiate, accept or turn down the contract offer. They can hold out from playing for better deals. They can demand releases and trades. If they're good enough, they can take several offers and take the team of their choice. There are also players' unions, comprised of active and retired players, which negotiate rules and regulations of all sorts with the league and owners.)

[Mecca]

@Phytotron: I rarely read 100% of your posts because they are simply too long. I skim the first few lines and make a response. Either way, if players on tron do not like the settings for a tournament, they will not play in it, which is why Vogue has been saying that your opinions should not matter, you never participate in competitions.

[Phytotron]

What the hell? Stop editing people's posts, epsy. That is unreasonable overreaching of your new powers. I'm not kidding. Especially when you do it in a one-sided manner.


To repeat myself, Mecca and Liz are not participating in this out of any sincere interest or disagreement with the merits of any argument. In keeping with their long-standing behaviour and purpose on this forum, it is for them seen as little more than an opportunity to "flame" me (or whomever their recent target is). That is absolutely a legitimate point for me to make. As is my noting that they seem to be trying to drive a wedge between Gene and myself.

[Mecca]

What the hell? Stop editing people's posts, epsy. That is unreasonable overreaching of your new powers. I'm not kidding. Especially when you do it in a one-sided manner.


To repeat myself, Mecca and Liz are not participating in this out of any sincere interest or disagreement with the merits of any argument. In keeping with their long-standing behaviour and purpose on this forum, it is for them seen as little more than an opportunity to "flame" me (or whomever their recent target is). That is absolutely a legitimate point for me to make. As is my noting that they seem to be trying to drive a wedge between Gene and myself.

I'm not flaming, I'm just saying that you do not participate in tournaments, so you should not have a say in what the settings are(also told compguy that the settings were good). If you do plan to participate, by all means, we would love to have your input!

[epsy]

For Phytotron's defense I might say that if there is no tournament for the gametype(s) you play, you don't play tournaments. Also, everybody here can have a say, so please stop these "you don't have a word on this" type of comments.

[Z-Man]

Also, everybody here can have a say, so please stop these "you don't have a word on this" type of comments.

That. The one actually organizing the tournament has the final say on settings and the like, and then players decide whether they want to participate or not. That organizer should know for himself which opinions he values.

[Phytotron]

Of course the ones who actually organise and participate in the thing make the ultimate decision on settings and whatnot. That should have gone without saying throughout all this. But that doesn't mean that outside contributions are worthless, especially given the sort of relevant "credentials" (I don't quite like using that word, but) that I described above.

[MrsKsr]

..I don't play LMS really, need people who play, like Phytotron, Sine etc. to comment on settings..

I started the thread for the progression of tournaments in this kind of area. I see no place in my starting post where I limited input to people who would take part. Please don't be childish, anybody who has something to offer may do so.. If you have something to say about a person's input, please do so in a constructive manner or say nothing at all..

..this kind of behaviour is why the forums are not really a nice place to be anymore.

[Kijutsu]

Boohoo, and I bet you never took part in that, right?

Anyway, LMS tourneys aren't populair for a reason, fortress ftw.

/thread

[Concord]

Anyway, LMS tourneys aren't populair for a reason, fortress ftw.

/thread

*raises hand* because they never happen anymore?

[MrsKsr]

Taken part in what exactly? Making posts that have a point, other than to cause aggravation, start arguments, evoke anger/seek attention/a reaction? Seems as though that's your sole purpose on these forums.

Believe it or not, "vogue", some people do actually grow up, you should try it sometime. If you care so little about this tournament and/or thread, gtfo and seek something more interesting to waste your time on.

[Z-Man]

dubstep, vogue: stop acting like kindergarden kids, please. Sheesh. One would think testosterone driven half-men were the most problematic, but no, it's you silly girls.

I also note that this thread is in danger of getting locked. It has been pages since the last substantial on-topic post.