Happy 4/20!

[Phytotron]

Weed can definitely have benefits in thinking ability

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It started when I was a kid.

Oh my. I'm quite certain Linda Carter did a number on many a young male, and many older ones too.

The comic book illustration, though. Bad.

How much you wanna bet none of these kids actually went back and read through that?

Still winning that bet.

EDIT: And still winning page breaks. Eat it, suckas!

[ConVicT]

I got it, but he still didn't agree that it's stupid to compare the two drugs, instead he just tried to be a smart arse!

Besdes, you caan't say weed/weeds are bad by definition. How are they bad? Since we're talking about weed "the drug", there are a lot more pot heads out there than perverts like sin
Or I fckin hope so...

[Word]

Your biggest mistake seems to be that you always think people say things to show they're smart or to suck up to someone, not because they actually mean them, even if they've provided enough reasons you could take note of. But we already established that you're too lazy for that and instead just say you disagree with everything, regardless if you're not intellectually consistent an render your own opinion meaningless by doing so. I did neither say nor suggest anywhere that heroin is the same as weed. I gave an example for why I think I'm halfway qualified to say that drug addicts without medical preconditions are likely to cause their loved ones to suffer without ever having consumed those drugs myself (since the ability to say something about that without first-hand-experience was just questioned, right?), and cited the truism that weed users could possibly be more susceptible for other drugs, including heroin, thereby ending up in the same mess as someone who never consumed anything else but heroin. None of that is very profound or insightful. I'm getting bored of myself while writing this down for you, because I know it still won't get through.

[sinewav]

I got it...

No you didn't and your last post proves it, so Pythotron is still winning the bet!


It is not important for me to compare weed and heroin or any other drug because most of you have not yet uncovered your own personal biases. It starts by asking questions, thinking about them deeply, and looking at your own answers objectively. I wouldn't expect too many young people to do this so I don't fault you. Finding my own biases came later in life. Here are a couple questions to start you off:

Does the use of a drug by a celebrity justify your use of it? Why would you discriminate between one famous drug user and another famous person who does a different drug? How much of your interest in drugs is the result of popular culture? For example, if marijuana has such fantastic benefits and should be legalized for everyday use, why not have it regulated by the FDA and sold over the counter in convenience stores, like ibuprofen is? If you could buy regulated weed in pill form at a petrol station, would you still feel cool using it? LSD and Ketamine have documented clinical benefits, so why not sell them alongside weed and mushrooms in the same aisle? Where is the cultural push for those drugs? To what degree does the safe consumption of a drug affect your feelings toward it? For example, if heroin is more dangerous than weed, why is weed a more acceptable danger? (If you think there are no dangers to weed you have some reading to do before answering this question.) If psychedelic and spiritual awakening is your attraction to a particular drug, then why choose that over activities that do the same thing, usually faster, and pose no risk whatsoever? (meditation, education, spiritual retreats, etc...)

Your answers will show bias once you learn to see them.

[ConVicT]

Does the use of a drug by a celebrity justify your use of it?
Not in the slightest. Whether I see a drug as potentially life ruining or not would make me decide if I was going to try it

Why would you discriminate between one famous drug user and another famous person who does a different drug?
It depends on how bad I think the drug is, and what class it is. If it were a cannabis user, not a problem ( I actually view alcohol as worse than weed, and that's the legal one). If it were a heroin user, then I don't think junkies should even be in the public eye.

How much of your interest in drugs is the result of popular culture?
For example, if marijuana has such fantastic benefits and should be legalized for everyday use, why not have it regulated by the FDA and sold over the counter in convenience stores, like ibuprofen is?
No influence on me what so ever, anything I've tried, I've tried because I wanted to.
I think it should be legalised, and I don't even smoke it, as I said before, I don't view it as anywhere near as bad as alcohol. All you have to do is look at alcohol, and drug related deaths, the only drug related death you're likely to find due to cannabis would be through a drug war and that wouldn't even be a problem if it were legal

If you could buy regulated weed in pill form at a petrol station, would you still feel cool using it?
You can get that! (maybe not from a petrol station). I've had weed in cake and other foods, and I never smoked/ingested it to be, or look cool, I used it as a teenager when I got home from construction training to chill out, and I don't see anything wrong with that. Some people would have a couple of beers but I get drunk easily and I wouldn't want to go to training the next day with a hangover

LSD and Ketamine have documented clinical benefits, so why not sell them alongside weed and mushrooms in the same aisle?
I don't claim to know much about these drugs, but I'm sure if they have medical benefits they will be present in some prescription drugs

To what degree does the safe consumption of a drug affect your feelings toward it? For example, if heroin is more dangerous than weed, why is weed a more acceptable danger? (If you think there are no dangers to weed you have some reading to do before answering this question.) If psychedelic and spiritual awakening is your attraction to a particular drug, then why choose that over activities that do the same thing, usually faster, and pose no risk whatsoever? (meditation, education, spiritual retreats, etc...)
It's definitely a more acceptable danger, when's the last time you heard of a weed overdose?
I'm well aware of the bad things weed can do to you, the reason I stopped was because it made me paranoid, but it's not the same for everyone, and besides, I got over the paranoia pretty fast, weed is a non-addictive substance, it was very easy to quit it for me, just a matter of not doing it, I'd maybe miss it on occasion when I want to chill, but it's not like I had withdrawal symptoms, like heroine, where you can die because you stopped taking it. As for some other dangers, you don't have to smoke it, you can ingest it.


Since I mentioned alcohol, and it has much worse effects on your system than weed, and it's addictive, do you think it should be illegal?

[takburger]

It depends on how bad I think the drug is, and what class it is. If it were a cannabis user, not a problem ( I actually view alcohol as worse than weed, and that's the legal one). If it were a heroin user, then I don't think junkies should even be in the public eye.

I don't view it as anywhere near as bad as alcohol. All you have to do is look at alcohol, and drug related deaths, the only drug related death you're likely to find due to cannabis would be through a drug war and that wouldn't even be a problem if it were legal

Weed:
concentration issues, car accidents, "weed psychosis" (its a name of a mental illness that I translated from my language), accelerate schizophrenia, lung diseases, throat diseases (those two because smoked).

Some people would have a couple of beers but I get drunk easily and I wouldn't want to go to training the next day with a hangover [/color]

Do you think a couple of beer gives you a hangover ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

It's definitely a more acceptable danger, when's the last time you heard of a weed overdose?
I'm well aware of the bad things weed can do to you, the reason I stopped was because it made me paranoid, but it's not the same for everyone, and besides, I got over the paranoia pretty fast, weed is a non-addictive substance, it was very easy to quit it for me, just a matter of not doing it, I'd maybe miss it on occasion when I want to chill, but it's not like I had withdrawal symptoms, like heroine, where you can die because you stopped taking it. As for some other dangers, you don't have to smoke it, you can ingest it.

Weed is an addictive drug and has been labelled as such. If you did not feel addiction it is because you kept life activities around you that stimulated the production of endorphines that made you able to quit without being too depressed.

Since I mentioned alcohol, and it has much worse effects on your system than weed, and it's addictive, do you think it should be illegal?

Alcohol will never be illegal, lobby is too strong and history proves it cannot be prohibited.

But yes, Alcohol is a drug like many others, but society accepted it.

Scientific studies shown that one weed blunt equals to one whisky glass (legal dosage), in dangers.

My point of view:
Weed must be treated like alcohol in the consumption, I mean: Today's weed is shit, so chemical strong and all. But when you had natural weed, with an actual flavor and you smoke it after a big working day and a nice dinner with a good bottle of wine, I can only approve.
But if you do more than once a day (except parties) and before dinner. I just think it is wrong.

To sum up, it has to be integrated in a kind of virtuous ritual that makes it special, keep it special. Because like alcohol, it is not a glass of water, it has some good effects but also bad effects. Moderate consumption is always the key.

[ConVicT]

Do you think a couple of beer gives you a hangover ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, when I say a couple I mean a few (enough to get drunk) and yes, I used to be a lightweight, plus I also didn't want to go to training stinkin' of booze.

To sum up, it has to be integrated in a kind of virtuous ritual that makes it special, keep it special. Because like alcohol, it is not a glass of water, it has some good effects but also bad effects. Moderate consumption is always the key.

Yes, well that's what I used to do to relax after a long day. I was kind'a a lightweight with that as well, I'd have one bong at night and That'd be it.

[kite]

420's over. go away

[sinewav]

Note: Those questions I posted were intended for internal reflection. ConVicT's answers lead to more questions. He has some beliefs that need further questioning and should take a skeptical approach to discovering the answers. This is all I'm saying.

420's over. go away

FYI, that right there is the attention whore stuff people don't like. This thread has a couple good things going for it so perhaps you should go away if you don't want to contribute.

[ConVicT]

Note: Those questions I posted were intended for internal reflection..

Well, I wanted to share my thoughts on your questions, isn't that the whole point?
If my answers raise more questions, you should see it as a good thing, since:

This thread has a couple good things going for it.

But yes, Alcohol is a drug like many others, but society accepted it.

I would say that alcohol is more of a poison as opposed to a drug, I find it fascinating that elephants ferment fruit to get drunk Imagine watching a drunk elephant stumbling around "An elephant never forgets", You should see one after it's had a few, it obviously can't remember doing that big shit or it wouldn't have ruined it's new Timberland boots

[takburger]

this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-nSBPuRbsg for animals that get drunk

this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xrcp6k8VE for cats that get high (some are so stoned)

[ConVicT]

LMAO, I had only heard of elephants doing that. That is hilarious

[Phytotron]

petrol station

When did you move to the UK?


I'm gonna regret conversing directly with this buffoon, but....

when's the last time you heard of a weed overdose?

When was the last time you heard of a meth infection, or a heroin cancer? Just because it may not cause one sort of harm, doesn't mean it's harmless.

weed is a non-addictive substance...it's not like [there are] withdrawal symptoms

Science would disagree.

Also: Marijuana Use, Cardiovascular Complications Linked In New Study

That's just a recent piece to add to all the info in the link Word provided earlier, which I'm quite certain you never even clicked.

[breeze]

Everyone has their own opinion on the topic, of course. I, for one have experienced far more destruction in every aspect from alcohol than cannabis. I am not talking from personal experience rather than the experience from those close to me. Say what you will, but alcohol has caused much more strife in my life than any other drug ever has and everyone seems to be perfectly accepting of that. I'm fine if you lump all drugs into the destructive category, but don't delude yourself and not include alcohol in that.

[takburger]

woohoo