Ladle 36 Voting Discussion

[sinewav]

Brilliant idea dlh.

What level of control is needed for the Ladle?

Well, we've now had an instance of someone impostoring and playing on two different teams. It may be an isolated incident, or the start of a trend. A tournament website has been talked about numerous times and ultimately might be best for Ladle. But maybe it's best to just think in the short term for now. What can we do to deter this type of trouble making?

I propose something that, while not a final solution, isn't too inconvenient for players (and doesn't require any development).

Start by setting ACCESS_LEVEL_PLAY 15. Most of us are used to this by now anyway. Then, ask players to sign up on the wiki using their authentication name. In most cases, this is the same or similar as their player name (example: -=}ID< Robo would register as Robot69). Since players are required to login to play, and their login name may differ from their player name, we can abandon any rule on aliases during Ladle (team binary player can be named t:00000000 if logged in as 1200@forums). Any team that wants to be totally anonymous will just make new forum accounts anyway.

This adds a layer of protection for teams so they don't get duped like uNk did. And, it's a good habit to get into for when we have that awesome tournament website. But I wonder if there is a way to force auth names to be visible? Because if people can play hidden, this idea is useless.

And another deterrent against impostoring might be minimal disciplinary action for violation. If you are discovered playing on two teams, then you get "shunned" and IP banned for the following Ladle. There is no need to go to extremes (yet), but we should send a clear message that this is considered poor sportsmanship.

@Lackadaisical: I'm cool with date voting every quarter. We should find an easy way or a good place to record the dates after the vote (although I predict few few changes from the first Sunday).

[dlh]

ACCESS_LEVEL_PLAY 15 is a good solution for now—it's a simple and doesn't require any developement. ACCESS_LEVEL_HIDE_TO can be changed to disallow players from hiding their authenticated name.

[epsy]

ACCESS_LEVEL_HIDE_TO can be changed to disallow players from hiding their authenticated name.

ACCESS_LEVEL_HIDE_OF actually :)

[sinewav]

So, either ACCESS_LEVEL_HIDE_OF 2 or ACCESS_LEVEL_HIDE_TO 15 would accomplish the same thing from a player's perspective, right? Which is proper? Is there benefit to using both?

[Word]

but if i want to imposter Lizmatic (for example) can't I just login as Word@tournaments with hide_identity_1 set to 1?

edit: nvm

But I wonder if there is a way to force auth names to be visible? Because if people can play hidden, this idea is useless.

[Jip]

Maybe this script by epsy: http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtop ... ead#unread could be usefull for tournament authorities.

[AI-team]

And how would that improve the situation?
I don't get how this works

[sinewav]

And how would that improve the situation?
I don't get how this works

You mean requiring authentication to play? It helps protect you and your team from troublemakers. We've now had an instance where someone impostored another player during Ladle and the team wasn't aware. This is a potential game-changing event, especially if the team has specific strategies the impostor isn't capable of executing.

In the future, if I'm on a team with Mkay-1, I want to know for sure it's him and not someone wearing his name. You can say it's my responsibility to check that myself and you would be right. However, requiring players to login becomes a deterrent for that person who wants to pose as Mkay-1 and fool our team. It adds protection to all the teams and it's a very small thing to do, especially since many of us already login for Ladle anyway.

Most Fort players have no problem logging in to G5's Mega fort, and quite a few people have their player preferences set to login automatically.

I hope this answers your question.

[AI-team]

And how would that improve the situation?
I don't get how this works

You mean requiring authentication to play? It helps protect you and your team from troublemakers. We've now had an instance where someone impostored another player during Ladle and the team wasn't aware. This is a potential game-changing event, especially if the team has specific strategies the impostor isn't capable of executing.

In the future, if I'm on a team with Mkay-1, I want to know for sure it's him and not someone wearing his name. You can say it's my responsibility to check that myself and you would be right. However, requiring players to login becomes a deterrent for that person who wants to pose as Mkay-1 and fool our team. It adds protection to all the teams and it's a very small thing to do, especially since many of us already login for Ladle anyway.

Most Fort players have no problem logging in to G5's Mega fort, and quite a few people have their player preferences set to login automatically.

I hope this answers your question.

*hint* I was the one who suggested "ACCESS_LEVEL_PLAY 15" *hint*

I was referring to the link Jip posted
Thx anyway

[Word]

you should know it especially because it was your proposal
Jip's link hast to do with mirror authorities, like @tournament.

[AI-team]

you should know it especially because it was your proposal

It was mine? O.o

Jip's link hast to do with mirror authorities, like @tournament.

Yes , but how would that help cut down faking?
EDIT: nvm , I am a jerk ...

[AI-team]

Oh and about shuffling:

Here is another way it could work(no clue whether it's technically possible):

1.Player 1 leaves/disconnects w/e
2.Player 3 invites Player 2
3.Player 3 wants to play for team n on the next round
3.Player 3 is now invited and can already shuffle even though he is still spec and not on the team yet

[ppotter]

You can't shuffle until you're on the team properly.

[Shock]

If you could join during the round that would work, but as it is, you have no time for shuffling.

[PokeMaster]

If you could join during the round that would work, but as it is, you have no time for shuffling.

Spam? This was already stated.