Ladle 38

[Corn1]

If a team wants to have more than 4 subs there's no reason they shouldn't be able to. As long as they don't have more than 6 people playing at a time, what's the problem?

[Nelhybel]

uNa is 100% against the use of aliases in the Ladle - it's kind of like a "pro" event for armagetron, and we should treat it with seriousness, which would include using normal names.

We are using aliases in a hope to offset people's desires for them to be allowed - our hope is that if we, and other teams, begin to use aliases consistently in ladle, enough people will begin to think of the concept as absurd, and they will be willing to vote to disallow aliases.

And, this is a game - so why not have fun while you're at it? I'm a total music dork, hence my usual alias (uNa|Nelhybel), and our team name for this ladle.

[Eckz]

uNa is 100% against the use of aliases in the Ladle - it's kind of like a "pro" event for armagetron, and we should treat it with seriousness, which would include using normal names.

We are using aliases in a hope to offset people's desires for them to be allowed - our hope is that if we, and other teams, begin to use aliases consistently in ladle, enough people will begin to think of the concept as absurd, and they will be willing to vote to disallow aliases.

And, this is a game - so why not have fun while you're at it? I'm a total music dork, hence my usual alias (uNa|Nelhybel), and our team name for this ladle.

I'm confused of which side of the fence you're on, because you just contradicted yourself.

How did you? You state that uNa is against aliases. You think people will view it as absurd, which implies this is how you (uNa, SP, etc) see it as, but then you state that it's a game, why not have fun with it.. it being aliases.

What?

[gawdzilla]

uNa is 100% against the use of aliases in the Ladle - it's kind of like a "pro" event for armagetron, and we should treat it with seriousness, which would include using normal names.

We are using aliases in a hope to offset people's desires for them to be allowed - our hope is that if we, and other teams, begin to use aliases consistently in ladle, enough people will begin to think of the concept as absurd, and they will be willing to vote to disallow aliases.

And, this is a game - so why not have fun while you're at it? I'm a total music dork, hence my usual alias (uNa|Nelhybel), and our team name for this ladle.

[sinewav]

Yeah...

As we've gone over time and time again, there is no solution to the alias problem. Both sides have come up with exactly zero ways to determine what constitutes a "common" alias, and how to bind a person to it. I see your action as more of an endorsement than anything.

I think the player limit on teams was killed because it was an absurd measure against team-swapping since the other rules provided adequate protection. And speaking of the rules, for as much hard work as we put into them they really can only do so much. As a community we like to complain a lot, but no one really wants to ban and punish people. I would even suggest scrapping most of the rules and replacing them with revised ones based off Z-Man's thoughtful suggestions here

Maybe one day we'll have some sort of authoritarian system in place where we have to use our real names and log into Arma with a fingerprint and retina scan... but gawd I hope not.

[Nelhybel]

Sorry, allow me to clarify for you, Eckz:

As I stated before, uNa is against the use of alternative aliases in the Ladle, since it is like a pro-event in a video game.

By using aliases, and encouraging other teams to do the same, we hope to ring a bell in peoples' heads, causing them to think, "I hardly recognize any of the names on this challenge board, or of the people in-grid [assuming this person is watching the ladle]! This is soiling the seriousness of the Ladle, so we should make a rule saying players must use their 'official' names!"

By saying that we want to have fun with it, I am saying we want to have fun with the cause we are upholding by choosing aliases that may pertain to a personal interest. This comment was directed at our choice of the aliases we plan to use this ladle, not the actual choice to use aliases.

Also, I should mention since I did not beforehand, that all of us will be logging in on the grid.

I hope this cleared up any confusion for you, Eckz, or anybody else that may not have understood my previous post.

EDIT:

I see your action as more of an endorsement than anything.

It appears as though our use of aliases has irritated you, to at least some small degree, about the use of aliases in the ladle.
It is almost as though that was the intended effect...

[gawdzilla]

....

You realize you'll probably be the only alias team on the list, right? Meaning this is counter productive and if you're against using aliases, you should probably change it.

[Shock]

score_hole -1
score_suicide -1

[Desolate]

No..we'd need to take voting on it anyway. Don't even think it's worth it.

[INW]

So a country against the use of 'mustard gas'...(which is a world wide peace law in which it can't be used...pretty stupid because if I were a dictator, I would just kill everyone with the stuff and what does anyone have to say?....everyone is dead...anyway)...in a war should use it to kill an entire nation to show the world how pointless it is?
Kinda like a team against the use of aliases in a fortress tourney using them to 'beat' every team and show how pointless the use of them is? I am too confused!

[syllabear]

score_suicide -1

GTFO this is not fort.

[Nelhybel]

Did you just compare the holocaust to the use of aliases?

We are not using them to beat every other team. The point we are attempting to make, INW, is completely and entirely unrelated to the actual game-performance affect aliases have, but rather the effect they have on the perception of outside spectators.

It does appear that our use of aliases has somehow gotten of all you thinking about the absurdity of the use of them. I repeat, it is almost as though that was the intended effect...

[syllabear]

You guys using them is going to do nothing (except get you unneccessary negative attention). Seriously, if CT, SP, Freelancers, TX, R, UNK and MAYBE PRU used them, it'd be something. But any other clan using them is just a laugh or a joke.

[Nelhybel]

You guys using them is going to do nothing (except get you unneccessary negative attention). Seriously, if CT, SP, Freelancers, TX, R, UNK and MAYBE PRU used them, it'd be something. But any other clan using them is just a laugh or a joke.

As I previously mentioned above, Syllabear, we are encouraging other teams to use aliases too. If you feel it is a joke, why make any post? Why not just ignore the subject?

I've said it before and will say it again now: we're not trying to make some sort or joke, or abuse the system, or anything like that. We will all be playing logged in, under the names presented on the challenge board, in hopes that people will think about the absurdity of the use of aliases in the Ladle.

Signing my teammates up as the instruments of the symphony orchestra - having non-aggressive fun while making a non-aggressive statement - should in absolutely no way be causing unnecessary negative attention.

I will not be replying to this any more since I feel both my posts and many others are simply repeating the same arguments over and over. Epsy, you may wish to split this back at Deso's "smurf" names post - sorry for any unnecessary work we may have caused you.

[Concord]

I'll be playing as Bard, hopefully that's common enough by now. It's been in my sig and I've used it exclusively in game since last Ladle.