Post-Ladle 30 Tactics Discussion

[Cosmic Dolphin]

I say we go back to talking about new defensive stratigies. I have several new ideas. If anyone from a clan wants to hear them, PM me. (Most revovle around a two box defense system.) I think I have some kinks ironed out, but it only looks good on paper. I don't know how it looks on the grid. I really want to get some people together to start testing it now. (For any clan out there, it might help you in the ladle.)

Also, is there a way we can more effictivaly attack? The most popular strategies now revolve around making defense more functional and out-surviving, create an imbalance in amout of players, and win though greater force. Are there any new attack stratigies to fight this, and possibly win before defense can challenge the equation?

[Goodygumdrops]

Our image is important to us and we care for how people perceive us and how we treat others.

This is either foolishness or rubbish. "vogue" or whatever she's calling herself this minute has made it clear time and again that any team which associates with her will have to forget to care about how it is perceived.

Players on the grid were describing SP's tactics in those ways. I was reporting on it.

oh wow appa starting shit then blaming it on others...who woulda thought...

[PsYkO]

Goody, fail. Vogue was a last minute addition for fear FoFo could not make it. Other than that, there is no association.

[akira]

Funny.

Not sure what the complaints are about, because a Fortress team finally adopted the core of what fortress is about: Teamplay. Using holes and adopting a good backyard defense need a concerted team effort. So please stick your complaints to where they belong.

During my short time with SP Flex and I were pushing exactly those things, nice to see they perfected their use now.

If you or others have a problem with this, it lies not with SP, rather with the game mode itself.

[owned]

STOP MAKING DRAMA WHERE THERE ISN'T

FOR ***** SAKE

WAS THAT JUST A VEILED THREAT TOWARDS ME?

I'M GONNA GO ARGUE FOR TWO MORE PAGES ABOUT THAT

[newbie]

Round 1, Round 2, now Round 3.. things come and go, there's a symmetry in fort all the 1vs3+ should be holed, it's not easy to kill 5 guys and at the same time lose only 1, it's a deserved win

[apparition]

If you or others have a problem with this, it lies not with SP, rather with the game mode itself.

This is basically my point. Don't hate the player hate the game. Sorry I made Speeders mad. I should have worded things differently. This thread is pretty funny though. Can we just let it die? Hopefully the end result of all this will be even better competition and game evolution.

[FoFo]

I just saw this topic today and im quite disapoint by appa's reaction .
Since im in SP , i ve seen flex and psyko trying to form the best tactic , the best line up for the team , the best pos for every player etc..
If u d see the sp ' s member area on forum u d see that on every ladle , there is a topic about tactics , about our errors for past ladle to always tryin to gettin better , "holes r part of the game" i ve heard that since im playing fortress so why complain? our captains just found a good tactic , need to wait the 27 th ladle to see that lol this is the surprise... If every team practice together , speak about tactic , trying to adapt every player position for their skill etc everyone can win , we just play as a team , knowing each other , good team work etc . For example when i arrived to sp i wanted to play atk cuz i thought it was the pos i d be usefull , flex told me "NO u ll play sweeper and we ll practice together , it will work" i was not so happy with this but seeing we improved together i was surprised and i applause flex's coaching for this lol
Everything is on the preparation before the ladle , the organisation during the ladle and the fact that the team is solid together cuz of practice.
If you not agree with hole tactic , just remove holes but i dont think u ve smthg to say on sp's team
and honestly i dont see flex psyko viper insa delta or me being arrogant cuz we won a ladle we r all old players now and we ve all already won a ladle.

Anyways i think this topic is useless and have no sense.

Sorry for my english if there r some mistakes

Cya on the grid.

[apparition]

Thanks for replying Fofo. You're right, the veteran SP players weren't acting shamelessly proud (arrogant) and no one has been acting shitty since this post.

I understand your reaction to this thread, but I just want to say once and for all that I'm all for using advanced tactics to win the Ladle. I definitely think your sweeping/attacking methods were crucial to SP's win. I said that in the Ladle 30 thread and I mean it. But this thread highlights the use of holing and super safe defense as a rudimentary and pragmatic approach to winning. The point is to talk about them and make sure people know what they're up against. Everyone playing in the Ladle should be prepared to face these tactics (if not practice them and use them to the same effect SP did). Whatever works.

That being said, I support pragmatic tactics if that's your thing, but I support trying to overcome them even more. I support the skillful creativity and aggressive gameplay that Fofo and Flex showed as sweepers way more than Delta's pragmatic holing and Insa's pragmatic def. That doesn't mean those tactics are wrong. They're not against the rules; they are what they are. I even think if less-experienced teams utilized the those tactics, they'd be just as capable of getting to the finals as CT and SP.

But once and for all, I want to say that I support every Ladle team that learns to play effectively against these tactics. We should all encourage growth and advancement. We should all adopt a spirit of support for anyone attempting to come up with other ways to stomp these tactics out. Personally, I think the best way is through constant communication and advanced anti-holing defensive tactics. As for attacking a closed defense, shrink or hole. I hope anyone who reads this that is at all interested in evolving with this game will join the movement to overcome the rudimentary tactics described in this thread and enjoy the benefits of knocking SP off from the winner's podium.

And going forward, the team that finds the solution, and a team will find a solution, will be the new king.

[Goodygumdrops]

Goody, fail. Vogue was a last minute addition for fear FoFo could not make it. Other than that, there is no association.

I wouldn't make you a last-minute add to any of my teams.

[Kijutsu]

Yeah I'm sure he'd love to be an addition to a team that can't get past the first rounds. Har har, we're all just joking, rite? Love ya Goody.

[DDMJ]

But Goody doesn't have a team, although he's technically on our injured reserved list.

[Mecca]

Hi Durka!
Hi Goody!
Hi Vogue!
Hi FoFo!

I do not understand why this ladle win is such a big issue. Has anyone ever thought of fighting fire with fire? I didn't read all 3 pages (I read like the first post and then looked for posts made by Vogue, Durka, and Goody) but I noticed some complaints about holing. Isn't the solution right in front of you? SP def was like super ultra mad happy fun lockdown mode, mimicking that would make holing much less effective, correct?

[noob_saibot]

But if this is the case, then I'd like to apologise on behalf of any guilty SP members. We will sort it out!

Apology accepted. Just next ladle, and all future competitions for that matter, please keep your players in check, thanks.

[epsy]

Thank you sir saibot!