sinewav wrote:Unfortunately, there is a high percentage of troublemakers to players in this game....
This is what I'm saying. And yet 2020 (and others) thinks admin kicks are terrible, while vote kicks (and potentially vote kicks of entire servers) are wonderful, responsible, pleasant, grass roots expressions. Again, who do you think is going to vote in these things? Mob rule and lynch mobs. And you can't restrict who it would be by some arbitrary declaration of who qualifies—that would be top-down oligarchy, wouldn't it, fella'.
But you're trying to hold up kick votes as some sort of positive model of behaviour?
Rather than being all upset about so-called badmins, I myself have gotten more weary of the use of even kick votes, and I'm not talking about the vote spamming. It has to do with not only the potential, but what has become the apparently widespread actual, abuse of vote kicks. It used to not be as much a problem, and vote kicks were generally rightly targeted at assholes. But now the assholes, mostly teens by age or maturity (often worse), make up most of the community. Players are getting kicked for no other offense than people not liking how they play (closers, boring, etc), for not taking verbal abuse or bullying, or for simply not being part of the little clan or clique that happens to be there at the moment, among other pettiness. It's ******* high school bullshit.
You know, I attended a high school where we didn't really have that hardcore cliquishness or hierarchy. The jocks and preps didn't rule the roost, and there were no bullies, contrary to the stereotypes always seen in, say, those '80s teen movies (I haven't seen anything more recent). My school was a magnet school comprised of five programs. MST: Math, Science, Technology. CMA: Communications & Media Arts. HSU: High-School/University (walking over to UofL and earning college credits while in HS). VA: Visual Arts. And then there was YPAS*: Youth Performing Arts School (performing arts, including music, theatre, production/tech, dance, whatnot.) So, it was the nerds, artsy types, performance artists, skaters/punks/slackers who made up most of the student body, and there just wasn't that sort of Lord of the Flies stuff.
How's that on topic? Well, I always considered myself fortunate that I didn't have to go through all that cliquey, exclusionary, bullying nonsense. But now this game has been consumed by it, beginning about 3 years ago. And even some of the older players (both in age as well as Arma years) who are more juvenile delinquent in mentality, but who might not have participated in it in the past for lack of support, now have a gang of malicious teenagers to back them up.
But 2020 and anyone else are holding up the kick votes as a positive example or model of anything? Are you kidding?
Anyway, rambling, disorganised rant. Unfortunately, I doubt any of the types of people I'm describing will read this and have an introspective think on it resulting in, "gee, you know, maybe we should consider learning to behave a bit, and treat other players with a little more decency, and drop all the racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia, and stop trolling and bullying people...." Nah, if anything it'll be seen as a challenge to redouble their efforts.
On the subject of overzealous admin/moderator kicks, I read somewhere that in most online games it's pretty typical for players to get kicked or suspended from the game for misbehaviour of this sort or another. Yet, in Arma, some kid or group goes into a server, causes trouble , and—well, actually, a lot of times nowadays it's not only accepted, but celebrated. But if they do get kicked, they fookin' freak out and act like they've had their god-given rights trampled, resulting in various forms of acting out. What the hell?
So, I'm going to have to disagree with Gene and anyone else on the preference of vote kicks over admin kicks. I would say most admins/moderators in this game are extremely lax, and in some cases contribute to the problem, either by passivity or active support. Of course, there are always exceptions where I would have the reverse view. (Granted, some servers can get a little silly, like the kicks and bans for generic cussing. I think MBC and XZL's servers were the first to get like that. Yet, blatant offensiveness and obscenity sans a "shit" or "damnit" was accepted.)
* Point of trivia for the youngsters, YPAS was attended by Nicole Scherzinger of the Pussycat Dolls. No, they didn't train her for that skanky role she has assumed. Rather sad she lowered herself to that level. I mean, she was always a major ditz, but still.
