Katrina

[Lucifer]

Here's some good news that will hopefully bring us all BACK ON TOPIC.

New Orleans to begin taking people in this weekend

[TiTnAsS]

Residents and business owners will be required to show ID cards with their home or business addresses to be allowed into the reopened areas.

O_o this is going to be chaos...

[Self_Destructo]

Back to the core questions, we got distracted (my mistake):

Actually, I missed the first post. Sorry.

- What is unnatural and natural for humans? How do we define it?

Well, for me as a Christian I hold up the Bible as my standard. Basically what God says is natural is natural. But for you as a lost person there really is no way to define it. Here is a scripture though that says that homosexuality is unatural. Read the whole thing real good.

Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

- Is every unnatural thing a Sin?

No. Like somone mentioned synthetic materials. Does that break God's law? No. So it isn't a sin. Get what I mean?

- If there is no way God's punishments show up in statistics, why did SD cite the examples? Aren't they irrelevant then, too?

No. I think it is possible to make statistics of it but I am not sure how it would be done. Really, in my eyes it is not worth it even if it does prove me right.

There are more questions than I can answer, so I'll just let them go.

microbus: Yes, I was wrong about animals not practising it. I should have looked it up first. What I meant to say in the first place is that humans were made male and female. I guess I did say that but I also included animals in there too. To be honest with you, I can't recall anywhere in the Bible where it says that animals are made only male and female.

[TiTnAsS]

Back to the core questions, we got distracted (my mistake):

Actually, I missed the first post. Sorry.

Read back fool.... how are you suppost to debate without reading other people points. This prooves that you don't care what other say and your stuck on your own opinion.

No. I think it is possible to make statistics of it but I am not sure how it would be done. Really, in my eyes it is not worth it even if it does prove me right.

So your saying your god isnt worth your time?

[Self_Destructo]

Back to the core questions, we got distracted (my mistake):

Actually, I missed the first post. Sorry.

Read back fool.... how are you suppost to debate without reading other people points. This prooves that you don't care what other say and your stuck on your own opinion.

No, I did miss it. And I do care ok? You're judging me without even knowing what your talking about. I am not that type of person and I would figure you would know that. I guess not.

[Lucifer]

Allrighty then, it's surely on now. These are all from the Book of Lucifer, Book 2 of the Satanic Bible. It's not nearly as well-indexed as the Christian Bible, but that's balanced by it actually making sense most of the time. I can give specific page numbers if anyone's that interested, but there's no guarantee the page numbers will all be the same from one copy to the next.

Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; and all sinners go to hell! If everyone goes to hell, then you will meet all your friends there.

In order to assure the propogation of humanity, nature made lust the second most powerful instinct, the first being self-preservation. Realizing this, the Christian Church made fornication the "Original Sin". In this way they made sure no one would escape sin. Your very state of being is as a result of sin--the Original Sin!

Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else.

Gotta go, my kids need me.

[Phytotron]

Well, since we're finally out with the Biblical quotes, pardon my excess....


Deuteronomy 21: 18-21: "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear."

Deuteronomy 22: 5: "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."

Deuteronomy 22:13-21: "If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and then spurns her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings an evil name upon her, saying, 'I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her the tokens of virginity,' then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the tokens of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; and the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he spurns her; and lo, he has made shameful charges against her, saying, 'I did not find in your daughter the tokens of virginity,' And yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity,' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him; and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, became he has brought an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you."

Deuteronomy 22:22: "If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; so you shall purge the evil from Israel."

Genesis 3:16: "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

1 Tim. 2:11-14: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

• More great stuff about women:

Genesis 2:22, 3:16, 19:1-8
Exodus 20:17, 21:7-11, 22:18, 38:8
Leviticus 12:1-14, 12:4-7, 15:19-23, 19:20-22
Numbers 1:2, 5:13-31, 31:16-35
Deuteronomy 21:11-14, 22:5, 22:13-21, 22:23-24, 22:28-29, 24:1, 25:11-12
Judges 11:30-40, 19:22-29
I Kings 11:1-4
Job 14:1-4
Proverbs 7:9-27, 11:22
Isaiah 3:16-17
Ezekiel 16:45
Matthew 24:19
Luke 2:22
I Corinthians 11:3-15, 14:34-35
Ephesians 5:22-33
Colossians 3:18
I Timothy 2:9, 2:11-14

• A site on Homosexuality and the Bible
- website maintained by a former minister

• Actual quotes from The XXX-Rated Bible

• Random Questions:

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

[Self_Destructo]

Since man's natural instincts lead him to sin, all men are sinners; and all sinners go to hell! If everyone goes to hell, then you will meet all your friends there.

I'm afraid not.
Mt 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Realizing this, the Christian Church made fornication the "Original Sin".

I don't know where they are getting that at. I sure can't find it in the Bible.

In this way they made sure no one would escape sin. Your very state of being is as a result of sin--the Original Sin!

No. I don't know where they are getting that. And even if you exist because of someone else's sin doesn't mean that you have sinned. But the Bible does say.....
Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

But that is probably because of some other reason and not that (only). I'm sure you sinned before you knew about stuff like that.

Satanism encourages any form of sexual expression you may desire, so long as it hurts no one else.

Well, I could expect that from the Satanic Bible.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[Lucifer]

I was under the impression that the Original Sin occurred when Adam banged Eve.

[Self_Destructo]

I was under the impression that the Original Sin occurred when Adam banged Eve.

Er, no.... they were married.

[Lucifer]

I was under the impression that the Original Sin occurred when Adam banged Eve.

Er, no.... they were married.

Wouldn't they have needed a priest or something to get married? (If you say God's a priest, you're going to need to give some real quotes to support it....)

[Self_Destructo]

I was under the impression that the Original Sin occurred when Adam banged Eve.

Er, no.... they were married.

Wouldn't they have needed a priest or something to get married? (If you say God's a priest, you're going to need to give some real quotes to support it....)

Who gave us the right to get married? God did. And guess who married them? God did. That's all I have at the moment.

Osci, most everything you have questioned is in the Old Testament law and cannot be done today like it was then....... that's why the Bible says in the New Testament..... But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (Ro 7:6). Now, according to the Bible women do not have full rights like a man does, and some people actually practice that - and they get along fine.

[Phytotron]

I just wanted to highlight this (we'll nevermind his cowardly, hypocritical apologetic for the rest):

Now, according to the Bible women do not have full rights like a man does, and some people actually practice that - and they get along fine.

Dude, you're making yourself out like more and more of an assinine* cretin every day.


* deliberate misspelling

[Self_Destructo]

Dude, you're making yourself out like more and more of an assinine* cretin every day.

Well, it's what the Bible says. And this is when it started.

...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. (Ge 3:16)

[Phytotron]

Yeah, and the Bible, like you, is trash.

El fin.