0.2.8_beta3: release process and bugs

Post by **Lucifer** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:58 am

Windows, right? Isn't this the timer problem? The next beta (hopefully coming out in the next couple of days or so) should do better, it has for me anyway. (I'm running cvs code right now) It'll have a nice message when you connect saying "Syncing with server..." and the screen stays blank while it does so. Takes a few seconds, then shows you the grid and is very stable.

Now, I am getting some weird ping spikes and I don't know right now if they're caused by the client or conditions on the internet. I'm going to be recording a session here pretty soon hoping to catch both that and lost console messages.

Daverocks · Post by **Daverocks** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:05 am

Ahh, yes, forgot to mention. I'm running XP SP2. I thought it was probably already a known problem, but couldn't identify it. Anyway, thanks. Looking forward to that new beta.

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:48 pm

The lag bug in beta3 does not affect the displayed ping, Dave's problem may be related to this report:
http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2573

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:25 pm

z-man wrote:About the screenshot key: You've got the mac keyboard, you tell us what to do Doesn't the mac have some extra function keys, F13 to F15?
My source, I don't know how old it is:
http://graphics.stanford.edu/~jedavis/p ... yboard.gif
Looks like F13 would be a natural choice. Considering that laptops probably don't have that one either, the only thing left would be backspace.

Yep, there are F1–F15 keys on desktop keyboards, and F1–F12 on laptop keyboards. Your source looks mostly correct for US keyboards. The "reset" button isn't present on today's keyboards. It could be used to turn your computer on, or when it's on to bring up a dialog with options such as "shut down", "restart", "sleep" and "cancel". Modifier keys could be used to immediately do something, including forced restart. Today an eject key is put in its place. It won't turn on your computer, but with modifiers you can use it for most power purposes. Laptops still have a power button near the eject key. On desktop keyboards three separate volume keys have been added.

Use of F keys:

Laptop:
F1: make screen darker
F2: make screen brighter
F3: mute
F4: lower volume
F5: increase volume
F6: num lock (turns part of the keyboard into a numpad, and so does holding fn down)
F7: Mirror or span on the external screen. Just a quick way to do it; in "System Preferences" you have full control.

Laptop with keyboard lighting:
F8: turn on/off (like mute)
F9: darker
F10: brighter

Desktop:
F14: decrease screen brightness
F15: increase screen brightness

Use fn to emit an actual F1–F10. This trick can be reversed, which I did.

Default binds (not everything is reachable as easily with keyboard lighting):
F9: Exposé show all windows
F10: Exposé show app windows
F11: Exposé expose desktop
F12: Dashboard

So it's quite populated, but note that 'software' binds (F9–F12) don't have effect when an app has the screen (e.g. is fullscreen).

I can try to draw my keyboards if you like.

Post by **Tank Program** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:39 pm

F13 would correspond to print screen on a pc keyboard.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:05 pm

Forgot to mention, the latest desktop keyboards have more tightly packed F1–F12 keys, to fit a moved F13 key. There the F13–F15 block is F14–F16! But don't assume F16 exists.

Post by **dlh** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:11 pm

There is no F13 key on my laptop, either. Choosing F9-F11 is not an option because Expose has those keys, and expose is active in window mode. Ideally it would be shift-esc-3, mimicking the real take screenshot combo. I say go with F13, laptop users will just have to change that key.

Edit: or F1? A large share of Mac owners use laptops.

Also, is there a setting to disable to custom_camera starting really close to your cycle at the beginning of the round, and then zooming out? My camera is set to be more above my cycle than the default, and I can't see anything zoomed in like that.

Edit: Nevermind about the camera, the settings are already there.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:13 pm

I made a little image of an "Apple Pro Keyboard" and the keyboard of my PB, both NL versions. That little circle is the power button.

Edit: The laptop one has a little error with ~.
Edit 2: Found that I left it open in the editor. Fixed it.

Post by **dlh** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:20 pm

Check System Prefrences->Keyboard=>Modifier Keys, and change your caps lock to a control key.

Edit: only in 10.4, earlier versions need some third-party software.
Edit2: OT from the other OT, but in Xcode ctrl-arrow will go through camelCase words, and option-arrow will go through words as normal.

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:38 am

Jonathan: that was slightly more information than requested, thanks!

Nemo: F1 is already used for instant chat. I took F13 for now. With PNG screenshots, we don't want people to hit the instant lag button accidentally anyway

nemostultae wrote:Also, is there a setting to disable to custom_camera starting really close to your cycle at the beginning of the round, and then zooming out? My camera is set to be more above my cycle than the default, and I can't see anything zoomed in like that.

Yes, of course. Set CAMERA_CUSTOM_ZOOM to 0. While you're at it, experiment with CAMERA_CUSTOM_TURN_SPEED. I found a value of 1 or 2 to be quite mesmerizing, as long as I was not trying to win

Daverocks · Post by **Daverocks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:32 am

Thank you z-man, the link to that topic was very useful. What do you suggest the bandwidth limit would be for 256k ADSL?

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:50 am

Just set it to something high that your connection can handle. "256k ADSL" doesn't say much, but I think you can set your max in rate to 20.

Daverocks · Post by **Daverocks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:56 am

Thanks for the info. By 256k ADSL I meant ADSL with an artificially limited connection speed of 256kbps (KiloBITS per second).

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:59 am

That's what I expected, but for a max out rate I need an upload speed, which is probably (much!) lower than the max the UI allows you to set.

Daverocks · Post by **Daverocks** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:41 am

Aren't the numbers a measure of Kilobytes per second? It also says there's no need to set your max out rate to more than 2 or 3 unless you're running a server. If I leave my max out rate set too high I get constant massive ping jumps.