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Re: Ladle 53

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@sine:

We've already said that CT's attack wasn't perfect, same for MYM's defense. Yes, CT was stronger and won regardless of that, but they would have won faster with a better attack, or MYM would have done better with a different use of the sweepbox (or a different def? i'm just saying it could have been done much better). The matches were long and exciting.
I thought we weren't discussing CT's victory, just the things that could have been done better (but we can do that too, of course - before it's getting too redundant) because some MYMs seemed to think it's wrong or a sign of dislike if people say that a tactic, however powerful it may could have been, was poorly executed.

The only lesson to be learned from the CT/MYM match is that the sweepbox can be conquered as easily as any other def with a solid team, yes, but once it gets even more simple to get around the sweepbox using intentional holes instead of sheer (im)patience to win, a good defender will again become more important (hopefully) and we then can get a definite answer to the question if INW is a good def (same for everyone else who underwent the 'anti-training' inside the sweepbox). :twisted:


(It's strange that Ai, with this "Lincoln quote"-sig, agrees with your statement despite he left during the finals saying something alone the lines of "this is boring and takes too long, I'm out".)
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Re: Ladle 53

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sinewav wrote:
pike wrote:I hoped sweepbox would die after Ladle 49-50, but it didn't happen. I think it's still a pretty good tactic for weaker/incomplete teams but it won't win you Ladles anymore, so let's hope we'll see more open tactics from now on :)
This is a pretty shitty statement to make and shows you haven't learned a thing from your victory. So sad. The sweepbox is just a tactic like any other. And it's a defensive one, which means it's a counter-measure. It's not supposed to be a winning tactic because, as everyone knows, defense doesn't win games.

The reason CT won had nothing to do with the sweepbox and I really wish you guys would get over it because you look like complete idiots every time you bring it up. The reason you won was because you played better than everyone else, not because of the tactics, which are neutral elements in the game.
Wow, take it easy man, that's just an opinion. Firstly, I DIDN'T win this Ladle, so I can't "learn a thing from our victory" until I watch the recordings. Secondly, last 6 or 7 Ladles and also few Ladles before were won by teams that used sweepbox. If you think it had nothing to do with these wins, then I'm not going to argue with you, because it's pointless. Defensive tactics doesn't last long in a match - in Ladles usually less than a minute until they are broken, but to break sweepbox it can take you 2 minutes or more - that's some difference. And thridly - defense can win you games (maybe not finals, but definitely quarters and sometimes semis), it's not a football game, defenders get points for kills too.
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pike wrote:it's not a football game, defenders get points for kills too.
say whaaaat? :lol: ;)
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Re: Ladle 53

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syllabear wrote:
sinewav wrote:CT didn't bring anything magical to the game on Sunday, they just played better than the other teams... since mYm played like total crap, haha. We failed executing everything.
To an extent this (Mym didn't play crap, they just played worse than they could have). Mym started off well, and CT not so well (a common theme with CT), but whatever it was, CT started playing better and/or Mym worse.
You're wrong. We started winning. The first 2 rounds was for our side. The first 2 rounds mym was using the same strategy than us, which is mostly the same of every pickup game, 2 sweepers 3 attackers 1 defender. In the third round they started using sweepbox, and in a close end they won first match.

I strongly believe we would have won first match if they didn't start using sweepbox, which would have probably led to a shorter finals. Anyway IT IS pointless to discuss all of this because nor spin nor I can prove we could have changed the result.
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Re: Ladle 53

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þsy wrote:This is becomming a dull and fruitless discussion
+1

.. cant change what happened.. lets move on.
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Word wrote:(It's strange that Ai, with this "Lincoln quote"-sig, agrees with your statement despite he left during the finals saying something alone the lines of "this is boring and takes too long, I'm out".)
I don't see a relation between one and the other :?:
  
 
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PM with long explanation sent, everything in German.


edit: bleh I deleted the long explanation and made a metaphor out of it.
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Re: Ladle 53

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AI-team wrote:"95% of people believe in every quote you post on the internet" ~ Abraham Lincoln
So should I not believe that quote and be in the top 5%? But then again, me not believing it is the same as me believing it. o.o
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Re: Ladle 53

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owned wrote:For clans/teams, the top Ladle winners are as follows:

1.Speeders: 9
1.Crazy Tronners: 9
3.Twixted Xats: 5
4.Arrow: 3
4.X: 3
I've constructed a more general list:
1. Speeders: 9
1. Crazy Tronners: 9
3. Twixted Xats: 5
4. X: 3
4. Arrow: 3
6. Anarchic Wanderers 2
6. Team Something Something 2
6. Tronners Under the Influence 2
6. Rogue Tronners 2
6. Unknown 2
6. Meet Your Maker 2
12. Shadow League 1
12. pron00bz 1
12. Tronic Monkeys 1
12. Fogies with Wheelchairs 1
12. Twisted Killer Rats 1
12. Twisted Rats 1
12. Bebe's Boobs Destroy Society 1
12. Kill or Die 1
12. Vowel Appreciation Team 1
12. Jalapeños on Sticks 1
12. Team Binary 1
12. You in Danger, Girl 1

And a list for total number of finals:

1. Speeders 21
2. Crazy Tronners 16
3. Twixted Xats 9
4. X 6
5. Meet Your Maker 5
5. Unknown 5
5. Rogue Tronners 5
5. Tronners Under the Influence 5
9. Arrow 4
9. Plus 4
11. Wraith Squadron 3
11. Anarchic Wanderers 3
13. Team Something Something 2
14. You in Danger, Girl 1
14. Oracle 1
14. Team Binary 1
14. Jalapeños on Sticks 1
14. Vowel Appreciation Team 1
14. Notorious Emoticons 1
14. The Usual Suspects 1
14. Assorted Freeloaders 1
14. Kill or Die 1
14. Bebe's Boobs Destroy Society 1
14. Twisted Rats 1
14. Dark Syndicate 1
14. Twisted Killer Rats 1
14. Fogies with Wheelchairs 1
14. Tronic Monkeys 1
14. Holers 1
14. pron00bz 1
14. Shadow League 1

Of course, some of these teams should be combined together, but I don't have the knowledge or the motivation required to figure out exactly which teams should be combined. If someone else does, feel free to edit the list.

Ladle total win leader(s) over time:

After Ladle #-- Leading Team(s) -- # of wins
1 -- Shadow League -- 1
2 -- Anarchic Wanders, Shadow League -- 1
3 -- Anarchic Wanderers -- 2
9 -- Team Something Something, AW -- 2
10 -- TSS, AW, Tronners Under the Influence -- 2
13 -- TSS, AW, TUI, X -- 2
15 -- X -- 3
25 -- X, Crazy Tronners -- 3
27 -- X, CT, Arrow -- 3
28 -- X, CT, Arrow, Twixted Xats -- 3
29 -- X, CT, Arrow, TX, Speeders -- 3
30 -- Speeders -- 4
31 --Speeders-- 5
36 --Speeders --6
39 --Speeders, Crazy Tronners --6
40 --Crazy Tronners --7
42 --Crazy Tronners --8
50 --Crazy Tronners, Speeders-- 8
52 --Speeders-- 9
53 --Speeders, Crazy Tronners --9
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Wow wd dude!

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Re: Ladle 53

Post by Concord »

some corrections
plus was in 4 finals, not 3
arrow was in 4 finals, not 5


I don't have time to check everything right now, but I'll do it later.
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Re: Ladle 53

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Thanks for the catch concord. If it wasn't already clear, I'd just like to remind everyone that I haven't second-checked anything, so it's possible I made some mistakes.
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Re: Ladle 53

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there seemed to be a lot of 2-1 matches distributed throughout
and discussion seems heated too

is there a topic about what the current state of play is with the game and the community?
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Re: Ladle 53

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2020 wrote:is there a topic about what the current state of play is with the game and the community?
No, but it's generally agreed that Fortress sucks and everyone hates each other, haha.
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Re: Ladle 53

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Current global Ladle stats attached.
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