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Sabarai wrote:(And for my sig: i'll get a new one once we slaughtered the German soccer team :wink: )
Hah! That's wishful thinking, and you know it. After beating Andorra, pfffr. That's like being proud about stomping an ant :) (For the non-europeans: Andorra is a tiny country roughly between Spain and France with 70.000 inhabitants...)

Sorry if my last post sounded disrespectful to the believers. I'm pretty sure God has a good sense of humor, though. How else would you explain that Hiob story?

TnA: I was more aiming in the "confused as of who you are and smiting you by mistake" thought than at the "smite you because you're a signature thief" direction :) I assumed you had Sabarai's permission.
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he i hadnt even asked for the sig..my words were sab bring back the old sig! and he gave it to me -_-..

And if i get smited im coming after you!
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HA, last time we won with 2-1, so who's thinking wishful now, eh? Or should I say: wishfool?? :wink:

Our current team hasn't lost in 15 matches or so... And Kahn isn't what he used to be, we'll CRUSH your little country...
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God would not have destroyed Sodom and Gommorah if there had been 10 righteous people! So why God hasn't Destriyed the Netherlands, Eureka Springs, AR (the town next to me) and all of America is because there are at least 10 righteous people. I do think that if God doesn't destroy America one of these days then he will have to go back and repent to Sodom and Gommorah. But I bet He destroy's this country before He does that. Why he doesn't destroy everything right now is because the the bucket of sin has not gottem full yet. When it is full He will do what He knows is right. And God is a Just God.

z-man, I will get that info to you pretty soon. I have to type it all though, so it will take me a while.
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Lol no offence but that sounds like the biggest load of bull ive just about ever heard.. Your beleifs are yours but don't tell me i'm going to get blown up cuz im doing what im suppost to be doing..

EDIT: Quick story. I once got pulled over and the freeway for speeding (everyone was speeding of course and i just happened to be one of the few people who got pulled over) and the cop asked if i knew i was speeding. I said yes. He asked why i was. I said because everyone else was and i was being pushed along with the crowd. I got off free...

Thats how half of america is, being pushed along doing what everyone else is.... So if i'm going to get blown up for that ... O_O
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uhoh.. Canada allows gay marriages now... and it's a big country
to take it all out at the same time.
Dest, though I believe in God, I have great difficulty accepting
claims that He has done something to 'get back' at people.
The Bible says He created man, and thusly he didn't make us
perfect. And I highly doubt He expects perfection. Even gay people
are human, as are the ones who own the oil platforms. So, He created
them, right?
I'm more inclined to go with the proverb "live and let live" :)
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TiTnAsS wrote:Thats how half of america is, being pushed along doing what everyone else is.... So if i'm going to get blown up for that ... O_O
Well, that is why Christians are not and do not go with the trends of the world. We are a separated people. And we would like to you to join us. :)
microbus wrote:The Bible says He created man, and thusly he didn't make us
perfect.
Yes, god made man and He made him perfect to start with. But one day God let the devil tempt mankind to see if he was going to do his will. Mankind fell that day and there has been sin since. God doesn't expect us to be perfect but He does want us to strive to. And being a sodomite is going the other way. God did not create a homosexual. There are only males and females. I don't find and in between in there anywhere. Homosexuality actually goes against nature. Why are there not any homosexual animals? That's because God created them male and female.

Yes, I know that it all seems wierd and looks really stupid but I am on the safe side of this issue. I know I seem like a stupid jerk from your perspective, but I'm on God's side and that is all that matters anyways. there is no getting me to change my mind. Also, there are quite a few people in here that are on my side. They just don't have the guts to stand up. And I don't blame them for that. They just give thier secret support. ;)
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Flying Spaghetti Monster was angered by the people of New Orleans, so He sent a hurricane to punish them.
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OMFG SD, you really ARE full of crap, i'm sorry...

If there is a God and he punishes us for being inperfect, he should make us perfect, He's the great creator as you say so he's responsible for our inperfection.

If what you say is true, Earth is just a cruel playground of God, where he is dominating and kicking ass... Why would he let WW1 and 2 start? Why any way? Why would he kill little kids? Why, why, why? It's just to cruel to be done by a higher purpose...

So i stick to my point: God does not exist, and if He does, he's just watching over we don't blow ourselfs up and that's it!
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Excuse this comment people, but why do you then see some animals buttfucking other male animals... the females just havnt figured out how to do anything with eachother..

Lol i like the midget nemo....
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Dest, you got my support there, just not total support. I don't
begrudge you for your beliefs, not at all... but no one likes
beliefs of any sort being forced on them. Not saying that is your
intention, but that could be other people's perceptions 8)
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I agree with MB, i beleive in god but not your version of god O_O the mercillis bastard that wants to fry us when he gets bored..
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I'm sorry, but I am not trying to force anything down anyones throat. And if you have taken it that way then your wrong. I am just stating my opinion like every single one of you have ok? Debating it out like a man.

God does not want to fry anyone. He is a forgiving God. But you must realize that he has set some rules for us to live by and if you don't then you will get punished, just like your government will you if you don't live according to thier laws. And very few people are living that way now days. Now, God is just and he can't let sin get by. He is perfect, and heaven is perfect, so then sin can't enter in to it or it won't be perfect. So, That's what Jesus came to die for. I have accepted His gift to me and now I am made perfect by Him so that I can enter heaven.

I know that it is hard for you guys to understand that God would do stuff like that. You are not sitting in His seat so you don't know everything. God made you so He has the right to make the rules anyways. God has a reason for everything and it is not to pick on anyone. You don't know the circumstances so you don't have a right to judge Him anyways. The Bible mentions God taking peoples life to save them from trouble to come. Now that sounds like mercy to me.

TNA, there is only one God. Your God is not the God of the Bible.
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Sabarai wrote:OMFG SD, you really ARE full of crap, i'm sorry...
This is what I'm talking about... Can't we all just get along? I recognize everyones right to free speech granted by their goverment and common sense, but I may have to put a lid on this here. You may think it's all friendly, but I don't like everyone's tone, and I reserve my right to censorship.
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TnA: The female bonobos have that part figured out as well (not going into details, it's a family forum). And some fish are genuinely transsexual, they can change their sex in times of need. Then there are lots of animals, some even multicellular, without sex. Sponges, for example, and polyps. And from the animals that do have males and females, all forms of behavior are present: you have couples that stay together for a lifetime, you have harems, orgies, cheating. The most common form among mammals, I think, is the mating for one season, where a couple raises one generation of kids and then parts. Quite often, the male disappears as fast as he can. The harem is also popular: one strong male has all the females of one herd, the other males get chased away. I'll hapilly follow a commandment that says "Thou shalt have sex exactly as the animals, for I created both of you" :)

SD: If the statistics you come up with is just a list of sinful cities, why they were sinful, and when they were hit by disaster, don't bother. A double blind test is required to convice me: If one person compiles the list of sins and disasters, he'll subconsciously influence the result towards his views.
The following would be the setup. Person A collects news about things possibly considered sinful and disasters. He carefully removes all information that allows you to guess where the news is from (Names, of course, but other information may apply too). Cities with well known disasters, like now NO, need to be kept out of the statistics completely. The news about sins goes to Person B, who rates the sinfullness in several areas (homosexuality, drugs, whatever). The news about disasters goes to Person C, who rates the severity of the disaster (For example, persons killed + .1 * persons injured). The information what news item belonged to which city goes to person D, who also gets the ratings from B and C. person D then does a plot of sinfulness vs. some average disaster severity. Of course, the news need to be from a small geographical area, so the ambient disaster densities don't influence the result: Studies that neglect that can prove that trailer parks create tornadoes :)

The problem with beliefs of the "God sent a disaster because the people there were sinners" type is not the belief itself, it's the actions that may follow. Some people with this belief won't help a person thusly punished by God. Some people may go a step further and anticipate Gods intended punishing, and be the executor of the punishment. SD's post don't hint that he's one of those types, luckily.

On topic: Assuming NO was smitten for its sins, does that justify Curious George and the feds sitting on their asses doing nothing fo a week?
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