International Challenge - Discussion

[Cody <3]

Deso,

I'll be on Canada....

If I can't be on there I'll be on France.

[Desolate]

Cody changed from USA 1 to Canada.

I don't know what to do about players switching who already know the other team password. It's probably too much hassle to change passwords because of a single player switch. Honor system? I hope no one really wants to win that bad..

[BTD]

Alright ill PM cody the Canada password

[gawdzilla]

Can we not switch players, close sign ups and decide a date?

[Cody <3]

Just an FYI, USA 1 never pmed me password so no biggie, YAYYA TEAM CANADA

[Desolate]

K here's the deal. From whatever Sunday date we decide, the tournament will run for 2 weeks.

Note: The 3 way, every team plays the other 2 will work by two teams playing each other first, then the loser playing the spectating team, and then the final 2 teams playing.

The first stage will be a group stage, 3 groups of 4 teams each. We will not go by continent as the world cup is organized, but will go by randomization(except the USA teams will be in separate groups). Each team will play the others once, making the first date 3 matches long. The top 2 teams from each group will advance to the next stage. If there is a 3 way tie, all teams will play 1 match against each other to decide first and second place. (I wasn't too sure on the tie decision. If anyone has a better method, please share)

The second stage will have the 6 remaining teams randomized and then those two groups of 3 will play each other once to decide the top 2 teams. Who will then play each other to decide the winner.

OR

We could just have 1 team from each group advance, and have those 3 teams play each other the next week to decide the winner.

[syllabear]

I know you don't like it so much deso, but I'm still going to put it out there for general opinion.

Instead of 3 groups of four teams, I propose 4 groups of three teams.

Each plays 3 matches, even if its 2-0, to give a final "points" score out of three (winning 3 matches gives 3 points, winning 2 gives 2 to the winner and 1 to the loser, etc.). Therefore we'd get 3 matches each in A-B, B-C and A-C, making the first day 9 matches long, and it would be similar to 3 rounds of ladle, except each group is independant, so one group could finish really quickly, and one could finish late.

So in the end you get teams A, B and C ranked. Chances of a tie are low, but then we do it by point difference (so that needs to be remembered too)...

Then teams are seeded, so the top team in each group plays a second place team in another group, similar to the football world cup. So now the groups are 1, 2, 3 and 4, and the top two teams from each, respectively, are 1: A and B, 2: C and D, 3: E and F, and 4: G and H.

Therefore the secound round might look like this:

A vs D
C vs F
E vs H
G vs B

or some such.

And then the next week we play best of three again, in a similar fashion to starting at the quarterfinals of the ladles.

In my opinion this is more world-cup-esque than deso's methods, and gives a good proportion of teams moving forward, and also seeds the teams, for more exciting gameplay in the finals, and even team tactics (throwing a match to get a second seed?)

[gawdzilla]

I want it to be similar to the Football World Cup as well.

[Titanoboa]

I also prefer sylla's, more traditional in this case, method. It's also easy to use that system later on (in a year) when there are hopefully more teams.

I was a little confused sylla. is this what you mean?

• 4 groups, 3 teams in each.
• All teams play two matches each in the group stage. (3 matches in total per group: X-Y, X-Z, Y-Z)
• The top 2 teams in each group move on to the quarters. If there's a tie (including match scores) for pos 2, it's solved with a tie-breaker match. (first to 1? also best of 3?)
• On the other date, Quarterfinals are played with the top 2 from group A-D as follows:
  
  A1 - D2
  B2 - C1
  C2 - B1
  D1 - A2
  
  (just basically the football WC's system in a smaller scale)

Btw since it's only a max of 3 matches per day (tie-breakers excluded), how would you feel about matches best of 5? It'd for sure make ties (by match score) more rare. Tie-breakers can be "best of 1" still.

Could accomodate with LIMIT_SCORE 80... This would make short intense matches and make every single round count even more. Just putting it out there, not expecting you to like it at all.

[Slov]

i agree with limit_score 80

[syllabear]

Titan, you have the essential gist of it, with two minor deviances from mine that do not change from its intended purposes.

These are that ties in the group stages are decided by a single match, whereas I said the actual points difference from each match (say 100-90 would make +10 for the winning team and -10 for the losing team) are added and this determines the rankings if two teams are the same on won matches. However I think your way is probably less hassle, so its forgotten.

Also, your quarter matchup is slightly different, however, as I said in my post, I don't care the order of quarter matchups.

As for points in the matches, I think 100 is fort, and this is a fort challenge, so we should stick with 100. Best of 5? Maybe for the final? I say 3 is good enough .

[Gonzap]

world cup should be special, best of 5

[Titanoboa]

Well i've kind of noticed that from score 0-40, some if not most teams take it easy and go with the flow, and put in a higher gear when it reaches 60-70, sometimes 80.. a lower limit would make it harder to react and hopefully keep a high pulse throughout, and i'd personally want to try best of 5 (wasn't around when ladles had that).

that's my reasoning, feel free to disagree, we all have our preferences.

[Desolate]

Er, sylla's method was what I meant..got confused.

Only thing I didn't like was when he first suggested it, he wanted only 1 team from each group to move on. I wanted 2.

[Desolate]

So I gave the wiki page a start.

Things to do:

-General Information/Clarification of Rules(Open to all)
-Team/Group formatting(I'll do this later)
-Bracket Creating(Should be easy to do by anyone who knows what they're doing, I'll do it if no one has by a certain point)
-Add a server section(Anyone can do this)
-Server Formatting(I can do this later)
-Time Board(Anyone can add this)

http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Fort_Cup

Someone please take the time to help out with this, I don't want to do absolutely everything.