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delinquent wrote:I'd be of the opinion that you can morally accept eating milk products. If a cow isn't milked, it gets uncomfortable and can lead to various endocrine problems ultimately ending in the euthanisation of the cow.

So yeah, it's beneficial for the cow to be milked.
Cows with such problems simply appear out of nowhere. How generous of us to help them.
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Uh, yeah, rather ignorant there, delinquent.
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Phytotron wrote:Sandals, barefoot, or barefoot shoes?
Mostly sandals. I'd like to try going full-on barefoot more, but will have to wrap my head around people's reactions.
But most sandals have soles that aren't much (or any) different from most shoes, so what's the difference? I mean, I assume you're weren't referring to benefits of an exposed upper foot.

There are those barefoot shoes, of course, which will give you protection while maintaining the (assumed) benefits of walking barefoot.
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Hey, this isn't a final solution by any means. Nevertheless, these sandals do help by having relatively flat and flexible soles. Ventilation and not being crammed into a rigid shape (that inevitably doesn't match very well) are also benefits.

Why no 'barefoot shoes'? I like the feeling of having nothing on my feet. How I can feel what I'm walking on. The raw feedback. I just feel a little more alive. You don't simply puncture the plantar surface, either. Whatever risk is left, I'm willing to take. I feel I'll be better off plunging in once I feel ready to leave this closet, because even such shoes are awkward enough.
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takburger wrote:
delinquent wrote:
Phytotron wrote:Butter and cheese
I'd be of the opinion that you can morally accept eating milk products. If a cow isn't milked, it gets uncomfortable and can lead to various endocrine problems ultimately ending in the euthanisation of the cow.

So yeah, it's beneficial for the cow to be milked.
Actually, a cow produce milk like a women, after giving birth, and the cow would stop producing milk if nobody was draining milk every day.

I doubt that our mothers are milked every day or would require euthanasia.
When we did our 7 days without meat challenge, we accepted animal products that didn't require killing an animal.

Phyto: On the dredging issue, do you ask yourself "Yeah, they *could* do it in a way that's safe and sustainable, but they don't, so maybe I should avoid those too?" I assume you do, I'm just asking because if I went that route, I couldn't ignore that.

As for the cows needing to be milked, that's obvious BS. Nowhere in the animal kingdom do you find species that must give birth or die, and lactation is part of giving birth and the subsequent raising of the baby. Except tribbles, which are, of course, born pregnant.

I have to admit I've been putting out a half-assed effort to get my wife lactating again. I think I need to make it a full effort.
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Lucifer wrote:When we did our 7 days without meat challenge, we accepted animal products that didn't require killing an animal.
Milk and egg products are just as bad given the horrifically cruel conditions under which the animals that produce them live.

In anticipation of how you might respond to this, I'm not referring to some impossible purity relating to, for example, rejecting a food because it contains '0.001 grams of monoglycerides that may possibly be animal-derived' or 'the streets and tires we drive on, the houses we live in, the petroleum products we use.'
Phyto: On the dredging issue, do you ask yourself "Yeah, they *could* do it in a way that's safe and sustainable, but they don't, so maybe I should avoid those too?"
You mean oysters? Oysters are farmed, not dredged. It's usually done sustainably and is often beneficial to the surrounding ecosystem, even restorative.
I have to admit I've been putting out a half-assed effort to get my wife lactating again. I think I need to make it a full effort.
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Phytotron wrote:Wait, what? Did you get a reversal?
He did a 180? Grind everything and 180 some more!
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That's what she said.
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I asked a lad who lives on a farm, apparently cows in that kind of situation have been bred or medicated to produce milk more than is natural. My apologies.
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delinquent wrote:I asked a lad who lives on a farm, apparently cows in that kind of situation have been bred or medicated to produce milk more than is natural. My apologies.
Yes and that is the worse milk you can ever dream of drinking.
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All this mumbo-jumbo about cows and nobody's had the wherewithal to bring up cow farts and global warming?? Yall need edjumication
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Mkay1 wrote:All this mumbo-jumbo about cows and nobody's had the wherewithal to bring up cow farts and global warming?? Yall need edjumication
because that is a different topic, but if you wanna talk about it:

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And how big a percentage of that is bovine flatulence?
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delinquent wrote:And how big a percentage of that is bovine flatulence?
not much, I just love when US people talk about ecology, it makes me laugh :)
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According to a 2006 report by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO), animal agriculture is responsible for 18 percent of all human-induced greenhouse gas emissions, including 37 percent of methane emissions and 65 percent of nitrous oxide emissions. The methane releases from billions of imprisoned animals on factory farms are 70 times more damaging per ton to the earth’s atmosphere than CO2.

In animal farming, much of the methane comes from lagoons of liquefied manure at industrial facilities, which are as nauseating as they sound. This isn’t a problem at traditional farms. "Before the 1970s, methane emissions from manure were minimal because the majority of livestock farms in the U.S. were small operations where animals deposited manure in pastures and corrals," the Environmental Protection Agency says. The E.P.A. found that with the rapid rise of factory farms, liquefied manure systems became the norm and methane emissions skyrocketed. Much of the problem arises when livestock eat poor quality forages, throwing their digestive systems out of balance.

Indirectly, factory farms contribute to climate disruption by their impact on deforestation and draining of wetlands, and because of the nitrous oxide emissions from huge amounts of pesticides used to grow the genetically engineered corn and soy fed to animals raised in CAFOs. Nitrous oxide pollution is even worse than methane—200 times more damaging per ton than CO2. And just as animal waste leaches antibiotics and hormones into ground and water, pesticides and fertilizers also eventually find their way into our waterways, further damaging the environment.

Scientific American: How Meat Contributes to Global Warming

takburger wrote:I just love when US people talk about ecology, it makes me laugh :)
Don't be a jerk.
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Phytotron wrote:
takburger wrote:I just love when US people talk about ecology, it makes me laugh :)
Don't be a jerk.
Not sure if me being a jerk or USA being a jerk to the world :lol:

ps: tsok usa is still better than australia..... :D
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