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Light wrote:I ain't givin' you a choice. :twisted:
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Light wrote:I ain't givin' you a choice. :twisted:
Eh, I guess once in a great while, but it was a little joke and not putting anyone down. I think you just get worked up too easily over little things.
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You're right; rape culture is just a little thing.
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Think he's just old, leave him.
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Z-Man wrote:
On similar grounds, "rimming" is a perfectly fine word to use around here.

'course, this little discussion is bound to send the one or other kid to Google. I file it under Education!
What about "Back dooring" Why haven't i heard this euphemism for (y'know).


Edit: hmmm back to the drawings i think lol
We used to use "back dooring" in the early fortress days for sneaking into the zone from the wall side, and it was briefly used for holing. While it was mostly derived from the hacker phrase for installing a back door onto a computer
system, some of us used to equivocate it to make it sexual. Before that, we used it to refer to going into someone else's maze with the intent of coming out in front of them and core dumping them.

Similarly, when we core dumped people against the rim wall, we'd often call it a rimjob, but the innuendo was intentional for that.

As for rape culture, it is real, and we're not being overly sensitive. I have a 13 year old girl that was randomly texted by one of my wife's coworkers in a situation that appears to be really early stage of stalking. Am I being overly sensitive about that? No, trying to protect my girls who have grown up/are growing up surrounded by rape culture.
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Lucifer wrote:As for rape culture, it is real, and we're not being overly sensitive. I have a 13 year old girl that was randomly texted by one of my wife's coworkers in a situation that appears to be really early stage of stalking. Am I being overly sensitive about that? No, trying to protect my girls who have grown up/are growing up surrounded by rape culture.
There's a huge difference between action being taken and a small, harmless joke in a place where it couldn't possibly do any harm. If you can compare it to stalking or trying to promote rape, there's a problem. In context, it was a very small little joke, and I cannot see the problem in that. Now, if I were promoting the idea of raping someone, then it would be quite too far. I wasn't even talking physically about it, but more of a metaphore. So, if you would get worked up because of what I said, then yes, I would say you're overly sensitive.

And of course I know it's real. I've lived in a place where I've seen it happen. Not during, of course, but the people afterwards. I don't think it's funny by any means, and I don't actually make fun of it, or try to make it seem like less than it is. But the same people that flip out over little remarks would go and laugh at a joke of murder, torture, etc. for example, the Holocaust or slavery.

But what I've said is being taken way too far. It was nowhere near all of this.
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Light wrote: There's a huge difference between action being taken and a small, harmless joke in a place where it couldn't possibly do any harm. If you can compare it to stalking or trying to promote rape, there's a problem. In context, it was a very small little joke, and I cannot see the problem in that. Now, if I were promoting the idea of raping someone, then it would be quite too far. I wasn't even talking physically about it, but more of a metaphore. So, if you would get worked up because of what I said, then yes, I would say you're overly sensitive.
Ah, but you don't see how you contribute to the culture existing with the small, harmless jokes in places where it can't possibly do any harm. You inadvertently aid and abet victim-shaming in real cases, if not the rape outright.

Consider the first Ace Ventura movie, where the whole punchline of the movie was that the villain was a trans woman. How many people have been brutally murdered because THAT was acceptable as humor?

Same thing. To eliminate rape culture, we must remove all jokes about rape. We must stop objectification of the sexes (both ways!). There's a lot we have to do, but what YOU can do is stop explaining why your rape joke was ok in a particular situation and quit making the joke.

For reference, here's the original "joke":
Light wrote:People rim, grind, stab, and <unwilling sexual intercourse> eachother all the time in tron.
How, exactly, does that not promote rape? You specifically state that people "unwilling sexual intercourse all the time in tron" like it should just be accepted. How is that NOT contributing to rape culture?

I say it is, and Phytotron says it is, and your words are quite clear on the subject. That puts the burden of proof on you.
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Light wrote:People rim, grind, stab, and <unwilling sexual intercourse> eachother all the time in tron.
How, exactly, does that not promote rape? You specifically state that people "unwilling sexual intercourse all the time in tron" like it should just be accepted. How is that NOT contributing to rape culture?
That's completely taking it the wrong way. That wasn't even a joke, really. So, saying what rape is rather than the word is promoting rape? We need to get rid of dictionaries then.

And I wasn't saying people do that in tron. It was separated in <> to point towards the meaning of a single word, which is used in games.
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Light wrote:
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Light wrote:People rim, grind, stab, and <unwilling sexual intercourse> eachother all the time in tron.
How, exactly, does that not promote rape? You specifically state that people "unwilling sexual intercourse all the time in tron" like it should just be accepted. How is that NOT contributing to rape culture?
That's completely taking it the wrong way. That wasn't even a joke, really. So, saying what rape is rather than the word is promoting rape? We need to get rid of dictionaries then.

And I wasn't saying people do that in tron. It was separated in <> to point towards the meaning of a single word, which is used in games.
Now you're splitting hairs. Yes, you said what rape is between the <>. But the sentence that appeared in says that whatever happens in that sentence is acceptable because people do it all the time. And THAT, my dear never-going-to-be-a-friend, IS rape culture.

You're called out. Be a grown-up and admit it. Quit hiding like a coward behind equivocations and absurdities.
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Lucifer wrote: Now you're splitting hairs. Yes, you said what rape is between the <>. But the sentence that appeared in says that whatever happens in that sentence is acceptable because people do it all the time. And THAT, my dear never-going-to-be-a-friend, IS rape culture.

You're called out. Be a grown-up and admit it. Quit hiding like a coward behind equivocations and absurdities.
I didn't say it's acceptable because it's done all the time, but that it's generally not frowned on in video games. And I'm still not wrong on that point. Just because it shouldn't be acceptable there, for most it is. Not liking that doesn't make it not true. If you would complain about someone saying "you got raped" in a game, there ain't many gamers who would care.

And it wasn't hiding behind anything. It was pointing out that you were completely changing what was intended to fit your purpose.

Anyways .. I'm done here, and heading off, so have a good night.
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This is a totally pointless argument, you must know that he meant everyone thinks it's ok to say these things in games :o
Have any of you even played online games? CoD for example, it's a laugh to tea bag someone after you kill them, that right there, in your eyes must be necrophilia, but it's not, it's just a game :lol:
I think you're all too sensitive.

Btw, all this online patter comes from Americans, it's as if they're all the same trolling guy, no offence to the few of you who aren't like that.
Someone said a "mom joke" to a player the other day (the other day could mean any time iv'e played) and the player replied with "how dare you say that, my mum is dead" I don't know if she was or not but this 'kid' said "i don't give a s**t if she's dead """""""""""""""""""""...more abuse".
To which the other player left the game without a word, obviously hurt, and raging.
I thought that was bang out of order!
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Nice to see I'm not the only person who has played online games. lol Although they picked the one that has since been replaced with things like pwnd and owned. Probably things they wouldn't care about since I'm sure they've at least heard them enough to not care, but you could go get all worked up about how you're joking about owning other human beings if you really wanted to complain about something. The things are just taken differently in games.

I've heard people go way further, in details describe stuff when they get mad. People don't get upset over what is said, and somethings I actually feel they've gone too far, but people take it as a joke, record it, and post it for everyone to get a laugh out of.

And the "my mum is dead" response is never taken seriously because it's rarely serious. lol Even if it were true .. the dead don't care.
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Iv'e heard a multitude of s**t from people in games, never bothers me though, just give as good as i get.
My point was anyway that it's not as if you posted "Ok, guys, just came up with a great word that you could say in arma for when you totally pwn someone... 'R***ed', don't you think it's great?"
Merely pointed out that it's ok in games, nobody cares in games, and that you couldn't get away with that in the real world!

I would even go as far as to say that the players in games who say this sort of stuff are the most liked and popular players in most cases, so obviously they are not looked down upon, rather they are looked up at and imitated, tbh.

Just to clarify, i'm not saying it's genius, it's stupid and inconsiderate but each to their own i guess.
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Yeah .. I think it's pretty dumb, however it came to be popular, but it is. On the other hand, I don't get all worked up over it. But, I think debating it is kind'a pointless since even if you could point out it shouldn't be used, along with a lot of other things, it's not like people would change.
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Lucifer wrote: As for rape culture, it is real, and we're not being overly sensitive. I have a 13 year old girl that was randomly texted by one of my wife's coworkers in a situation that appears to be really early stage of stalking. Am I being overly sensitive about that? No, trying to protect my girls who have grown up/are growing up surrounded by rape culture.
Totally understandable, i have a 4 year old, and i wouldn't want any of this happening when he's growing up.
Which is why he'll only be allowed online for school work or whatever, under my supervision.
The internet (Even online games) is no place for kids
In some ways Armagetron should be rated 18, just because you can't predict the things people will say, not knowing there are 12 year old's there.
I can think of 100 things iv'e read on there that are worse than r**e being said.
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