god, lucifer & other sh*t

[Self_Destructo]

Do you know why you can't seem to believe the truth? Because the truth has to be revealed unto you (someone has to show it to you) ..... that is why I don't think we should use our logic to find the truth in the Bible (like luke seems to believe).

[Lucifer]

Do you know why you can't seem to believe the truth? Because the truth has to be revealed unto you (someone has to show it to you) ..... that is why I don't think we should use our logic to find the truth in the Bible (like luke seems to believe).

The only truth another man can give you comes from the barrel of a gun.

[Luke-Jr]

I wanted freedom for all,

Freedom from what?

protection of basic Angel Rights that all immortals are entitle to.

Like the right to use proper grammer? Besides, all rights come from God.

Did God like that? Nooooo. He had to kick me out and execute my generals.

You could have apologised... well, I guess not since angels are not capable of that kind of regret.

With the exception of recent events in Iraq,

Huh? Catholicism used to be an allowed religion in Iraq-- now it's not. How exactly is that not in accordance with "your" will?

my movement is spreading rapidly here on Earth.

For now... your Conciliar protestants may have hijacked the name Catholic in the eyes of the world and taken over the Vatican, but that's just a minor thing in the long run.

...or to presume that god, should one exist, is a male?

If He says that He's male, who are you (or anyone) to question Him?

(Note: Logic and reason are possible because of the prefrontal cortex, which evolved along with the rest of the brain and body.)

Except that evolutionism is nonsense and has been disproven.

The scientific method, widely seen as the only way to acquire true knowledge of the world around us, has not been used to study this phenomena.

Validly conducted science always leads to truth-- in this case, God's existence.

Whereas in the 2000 years or so since the last prophet, disciple, or whatever of God supposedly lived

Who said prophets ceased since Jesus? Sure, God may have allowed His mother to pass info on to people in His place, but that doesn't really make them any less prophets, does it?

Apparently while God gave us logic and reasoning, His followers seem unable to use either of these "gifts".

Except that if you actually follow logic and reason, you will find the truth.

Do you know why you can't seem to believe the truth? Because the truth has to be revealed unto you (someone has to show it to you) ..... that is why I don't think we should use our logic to find the truth in the Bible (like luke seems to believe).

1) Proper logic will generally always lead to the truth (because that is the purpose God created it for)
2) There is truth outside the Bible. I have pointed out to you many times that you are not mentioned in the Bible yet you still exist in truth.
3) Logic has been shown time and time again to prove things in the Bible to those who demand proof. Never has it shown anything opposing the Bible.

The only truth another man can give you comes from the barrel of a gun.

Even then, it's not the man really giving you truth. Indirectly, all truth comes from God, who is truth.

[Phytotron]

Blech, stinking proselytizers.

And for you athiests...... do you know everything????? No! Then could God happen to exist in the part that you don't know? YES!

That's called the "god of the gaps" fallacy.

...the truth has to be revealed unto you (someone has to show it to you)

You mean some jive turkey evangelical has to brainwash you, and you have to be gullible enough to fall for it.

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related? Shoot, man, you're gonna burn.

(I was going to preface that final sentence with "damn" or "hell," but then that would just be idiomatic redundancy.)[/quote]

[Luke-Jr]

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related?

I thought it was to quit MBC and join SP? o.o;;

[Phytotron]

If He says that He's male, who are you (or anyone) to question Him?

Well, that's the rub, isn't it -- imaginary beings can't speak.

Except that evolutionism is nonsense and has been disproven. ... Validly conducted science always leads to truth-- in this case, God's existence.

I would love to see the studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals that back up such flatly idiotic statements. And don't quote the ICR, Ken Ham, or Dr. Dino, either, for they are established liars, crackpots, and non-scientists.

[Phytotron]

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related?

I thought it was to quit MBC and join SP? o.o;;

Really? Jesus favors meaningless, stupid video game clans? Whoa.

[Self_Destructo]

...the truth has to be revealed unto you (someone has to show it to you)

You mean some jive turkey evangelical has to brainwash you, and you have to be gullible enough to fall for it.

No. The Holy Spirit is the one who reveals the truth. People can't understand the Bible because they don't have the Holy Spirit. Enough said. Besides... you don't understand just how much you are brainwashed with evolution and atheism.

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related? Shoot, man, you're gonna burn.

No. He told me to leave MBC. So I did. He has not told me to leave AA at all. That was my thinking not His.

[Self_Destructo]

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related?

I thought it was to quit MBC and join SP? o.o;;

Really? Jesus favors meaningless, stupid video game clans? Whoa.

He cares about everything.

[Lucifer]

I wanted freedom for all,

Freedom from what?

From God's guilt-ridden tyranny, what else would people in heaven need freedom from? You didn't really think all that one-sided PR about God being loving and wonderful actually indicated he was less than a tyrannical ruler, did you? Not to mention he's as bipolar as it gets, one minute in a fit of rage and blasting towns all over the place, but the next minute he loves everyone and wants you to do so as well.

God villified me for the same reason the Catholic Church villified Martin Luther: I threaten the "truth" of his rule. I challenge people to think for themselves. And I want people to live with a reasonable expectancy of being treated decently by other people.

You should have seen some of the massacres that went on in Heaven. I know you haven't heard about them, God's censorship has been quite extreme. Used to be, if you questioned His Word, you'd get lynched, burned, stoned, or otherwise killed in a tortuous inhumane manner.

I don't trust what Microsoft says about Microsoft, or any of their paid shills, do you? If not, then why would you trust what God's prophets say about Him without checking for a disinterested third-party's point of view? In lieu of that, can you develop your own?

Of course, had I said that just 1000 years ago, I'd be toasty-fried right now. Had to go and start all sorts of different religions just to keep God guessing where I was at any point in time. And science fiction? Yeah, I invented that too.

protection of basic Angel Rights that all immortals are entitle to.

Like the right to use proper grammer? Besides, all rights come from God.

s/God/the state and you could hire Stalin to be your God. Oh wait, that's what you've already got!

Did God like that? Nooooo. He had to kick me out and execute my generals.

You could have apologised... well, I guess not since angels are not capable of that kind of regret.

Would Benjamin Franklin have apologized had he lost?

With the exception of recent events in Iraq,

Huh? Catholicism used to be an allowed religion in Iraq-- now it's not. How exactly is that not in accordance with "your" will?

I was referring to the blatant human rights violations by "the good guys" (Abu Ghraib and others) and Bush's "Crusade" in general.

my movement is spreading rapidly here on Earth.

For now... your Conciliar protestants may have hijacked the name Catholic in the eyes of the world and taken over the Vatican, but that's just a minor thing in the long run.

I see. You mistake me. I don't work within the church anymore, haven't for centuries, it's not necessary any longer. Nowadays you can openly question the church without fearing for your life. When you see something that makes you think, I probably had a hand in it. When you see a man stand up for the right to think for himself, even at great risk to himself, I influenced that guy.

Apparently while God gave us logic and reasoning, His followers seem unable to use either of these "gifts".

Except that if you actually follow logic and reason, you will find the truth.

You can't learn anything you didn't already know with logic and reason alone, you must also have observations and experimentation. Even then, what you learn isn't all that reliable until other people can back up the observations, repeat the experiments, and arrive at the same results. Logic and reason are good tools to aid you in this process, but they are no substitute for this process.

3) Logic has been shown time and time again to prove things in the Bible to those who demand proof. Never has it shown anything opposing the Bible.

But that's not true! All the land in Europe is littered with the skulls of those who found proof to oppose the Bible, murdered by the Jesus Fan Club. You trust in your God too much. Too much trust in anybody is dangerous.

[Luke-Jr]

If He says that He's male, who are you (or anyone) to question Him?

Well, that's the rub, isn't it -- imaginary beings can't speak.

Good thing God isn't imaginary, then.

Except that evolutionism is nonsense and has been disproven. ... Validly conducted science always leads to truth-- in this case, God's existence.

I would love to see the studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals that back up such flatly idiotic statements. And don't quote the ICR, Ken Ham, or Dr. Dino, either, for they are established liars, crackpots, and non-scientists.

I'm sure Google could find some. I don't have the time to dig something up for you.

Yo, SD, didn't the Lord tell you to get away from Armagetron and things related?

I thought it was to quit MBC and join SP? o.o;;

Really? Jesus favors meaningless, stupid video game clans? Whoa.

Honestly, I doubt He would care enough about video game clans for a private revelation, but I wouldn't toss the possibility out the window.

[Phytotron]

People can't understand the Bible because they don't have the Holy Spirit.

People can't understand the Bible because it's a bunch of mixed-up, self-contradictory nonsense patched together from the nonsense of prior existing religions.

He told me to leave MBC. So I did. He has not told me to leave AA at all. That was my thinking not His.

Really. Interesting. So what was so sinful about MBC? They're some of the most pollyannaish, goodie-goodie players around. Maybe it was the new-agers?

[Phytotron]

Good grief, I'm so slow with these replies.

[Lucifer]

I would strongly urge you all to read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicit ... _as_a_myth

It's a very fascinating discussion, at least. Since it's Wikipedia, you can generally expect the material to be dealt with objectively, and I've found that even though the writer's point of view comes through a lot, all of the articles I've read about Jesus/Christianity/Any other religion are pretty well-packed with information and dealt with objectively.

The advantage to the work being objective is that it doesn't try to sell you on anything.

[Phytotron]

I'm sure Google could find some. I don't have the time to dig something up for you.

Google can find anything. Google can find "proof" that we never landed on the moon, that the Holocaust never happened, that the earth is flat, that psychics are real, that the Freemasons and Illuminati control the world, that aliens have abducted thousands of human beings and built the pyramids of Egypt and South America, that astrology controls our selves and the universe, that Bigfoot and Nessie exist, that chi permeates all things, that ghosts haunt dank homes across the world, that the Celestine Prohpecy is a genius book, that holding a special stick can help you locate water, that there really is a Master Race, that there's an actual face on Mars, that there are miracle herbal remedies for anything that ails you, that Scientology holds the answers to the universe and your psyche, that some people can make themselves levitate through meditation, that werewolves really exist, that magnetic bracelets can cure your ills, that mediums can talk to the dead, that Nostradamus predicted countless world events, that you can regress to a past life or blocked childhood abuse, that some people can remote view, that tarot cards can give you insight into yourself and your future, that Wiccans are really onto something after all, and that the earth is anywhere from 6,000 years old to having always existed.

No, you made a claim that science has disproven evolution and proved (your) god. I'd like to see it backed up by legitimate, reputable, peer-reviewed scientific journals. You very readily and easily made the claim; surely you have the material on hand that brought you to that conclusion, yes? And you clearly have enough time to keep responding to these posts.