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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Concord wrote:Explain why a member of plus, the team winning 144-40 would do anything to end that match?
The question is moot. They've already admitted to kicking the first player. It's the first kick that effectively ended the match.

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Now aside from this, I want to say that I personally believe it is in poor taste to belittle a team if they are loosing badly. However, I don't think there should be any restrictions on verbal abuse, especially since individual players have control over what they hear. Taunts are part of competitive play. In this case, it looks like the problem was "lack of competition." And perhaps the taunts were a kind of "call to action;" for the opposing team to step up their game (but it looks like the words were poorly chosen).
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Maybe we can agree on a new rule which fixes the logfile problem (the servers should either have logfiles or someone who records the match should be present during a match).
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Word wrote:the servers should have logfiles
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Z-Man wrote:Hmm, can't you make it so that old logs get deleted or downloaded to your home machine? Just a suggestion.
Sure I can. I didn't expect it to be necessary to keep log files. That was before I knew of PLUS ... no I mean ... of some PLUS' players.
Z-Man wrote:Anyway, without logs or at least clientside recordings, how do you think you would handle REAL disputes about things happening during the game, or even the game's outcome? /me shudders.
Have there ever been REAL disputes?

I think it is best I do not provide servers for official matches until I fixed the log thing.
Please consider my FPL server withdrawn. (Someone with write access to the FPL page, please remove the DS server from the list.)

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G5 wrote:(Someone with write access to the FPL page, please remove the DS server from the list.)
done.
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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I think we need to call the waaahhhhmbulance for DS.. :| sore losers. I bet you wouldn't cry and lie like this if you were ahead with points.

I wanna rematch DS regardless of whatever decision is made, those punks deserve to get their asses kicked.. AGAIN!
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Sooo enough crying

wens the rematch?



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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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There should only be a rematch if we are accommodated for the forfeit. That is bullshit that someone can sabotage a match, and then be given a rematch.

Plus deserves something - the match wasn't even close. Get real.
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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No i want to destroy these noobs again

i will make fun of them even more
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Well iirc I don't think mods can kick in ds mega fort anymore just admins, not sure about team leaders though or if the fpl settings are different, anyways a rematch seems like it would solve the dispute anyways.
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Lizmatic wrote:Plus was beating DS up by a 100 points, if not then more.. there was some talk going on (nothing bad, check logs) and DS started yelling STFU, G5 said something stupid to me in German so I replied "du bist ein schweinehund" as a joke, I got kicked by him, later teen got kicked too I think. DS reset the score after we got kicked, then claimed we did it and we kicked people.. while the only moderator on Plus, me, was already gone from the server. Also, its impossible to kick admins [as a mod/teamleader]. After the whole ordeal, ALL of DS left the server without saying anything or trying to resolve anything.

Logs need to be checked, and posted, to see who was kicked by who and who reset the score. WE already know its DS, because none of us kicked anyone/nor reset the score, but for proof we need the logs.

Use this topic as a discussion as to what to do about teams that forfeit, thanks.

No drama, that'll come @ ladle27. :D
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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Both parties chill out. I don't think we need a re-match its just probably going to create more drama.
I think DS was responsible in sabotaging the match and therefore the match should be regarded as a forfeit on their part. Let the voting page on the FPL decide the outcome. Team captains hurry up and vote.

http://fortresspremierleague.pbworks.com/Forfeit
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zion wrote:Player9 is teen, so it is allowed to change the actual name which is on the roster?
@1200: Haha, you mean one of my own team kicked me? Muhaha! Think about it.
@Conc: As the teamleader you are responsible for the action of your mates. Take this obligation or get another one for the job! The way your team acted was this annoying and retarded that I think it is against all thoughts of a serious game.
Whatever, as a result of the really disappointing match, you as the brilliant head of this event, can take the obligation us from the roster- DS won't support this any longer.
no need to rematch or to vote on anything. As you can read, DS doesn't take part anymore and Plus has won. Gz Plus.

(but i'll talk to zion first and check if he's aware of this topic).

edit: Concord, I saw you took yourself off the plus' roster...isn't there a simplier way to fix it?

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The involved players could just say sorry to each other because obviously both did something wrong. And then rematch, without minus scores, kicking and foul language.

If the teamleader privileges clash together like now I'm thinking that it could be better if there's just one admin whose only function is referee so he isn't involved in conflicts between the teams (team captains from teams that aren't playing then...in this case Durka, owned, Psyko, Arilou, Flex, sine.wav, Pr3, Sunrise, emphasis, Robo or me; but I would not recommend those who might prefer a team/dislike a team). And they should be able to inform themselves so they are present when the match starts and be there until it ends.

(lol anyone else reading "Leviathan" by T. Hobbes? I'm fascinated by the 12 principal rights :P )

I am concious that this shouldn't happen and I consider all team captains mature enough to handle these situations as long as their own team isn't the corpus delicti. But everyone tends to forget his part when he has his team behind him.

I also think it's pointless to withdraw your team because of this hassle, zion; and the same to Concord who doesn't have any fault and yet canceled his particaption in his team's matches. It isn't very complicated. Such fights are just natural. Of course it would be better they wouldn't arise, but if every team quits once it has this problem the FPL won't be there any longer. Zion and Concord: just get a thicker skin, and tell your teams how to behave. You are responsible for them. Don't put members on your team's roster if you know they are "troublemakers".

Zion, Plus is only one team. There are others. And if you are disappointed that you lost (correct me if that's wrong), see it as a chance that you can learn how to improve. If someone is getting on your nerves use the silence function.

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According to this I'd like to encourage you to play a rematch, but with different presuppositions. And get rid off this attitude.

edit 2: I also saw zion deleted everything DS-related on the fpl site...

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http://ds.experimentalworks.net/board/i ... entry11716
zion wrote:As a direct result from unacceptable behaving and inability of a teamcaptain ~|DS|~ likes to announce its retrievement from the Fortress Premier League (FPL). On sunday the schedulded match against PLUS went terribly wrong while members of the opponent team weren't able to behave the right way. Not to mention Concord, who seem to had his education in a Rudolf Steiner school. Get some balls, man!
I don't want to control my teammates.
PUSSY!!

With this step we want to cite an example for no tolerancy to unacceptable ingame behaving. Players like Lizmatic or teen should be told that their behaving isn't tolerated any longer. This is something which could kill every ingame fun and should be important for all of us and not just DS.
Like all of you know DS is a very tolerant and friendly clan. We try not to bring up any quarrel against other clans/players....
I assume you wanted to quote Concord, but I doubt there wasn't a lucid context (and that he really said it that way).
Don't make it worse than it is. Concord didn't misbehave nor did the whole plus team. From what I've read only two of them. In DS it was just you and G5 (ihr seid quitt!). If you had been tolerant two days ago you wouldn't have kicked them.
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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

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First of all I want to thank word for telling me about this topic. Actually I am kind of ill and wouldn't have recognized it on my own. Good to know there are people out there trying to find answers on their own instead of relying to existing statements.
I haven't read all of this and I don't want to give more food to the ones having fun with something like this. Most of you know me as a reliable, chilled person. When you have a problem with me or DS you are always welcome to talk to me about it, so we can find a way to solve it. If you prefer to start shittalking I won't give a shit. I just don't care about it. I am old enough to relax when it is necessary. No need to become angry about someone who has nothing better to do than start quarrel in an online game. The persons problem when there is nothing more special in his/hers life.
In this case I am forced to take action, because the image of DS should be compromised and I won't take that!

In the following I'll try to give an exact copy of my impressions of the match on sunday. If I mixed up something it is because of the fast happening of actions that took place and not because I wanted to leave sth out. Everyone who was there, too, is pleased to correct me or add things I missed.

sunday, 18gmt, partytime! PLUS was complete, we weren't...one of us was missing, but we started to the scheduled time. Because I am ill atm I wasn't there in time, the others weren't too, so we weren't able to train before and had a real bad start. The complete first half of the match PLUS came trough our middle like a knife trough hot butter.
Within this time another PLUS member wanted to get in the game, ignoring that their team was still complete. Instead of using teamchat he was getting mad in the public chat. Kind of annoying. The same time another person came to action. Yeah, you got it, the association is too obvious...annoying, then I must be talking about Lizmatic.
This point she had the win directly in front of her eyes, yelling 'THIS IS EASIER THAN PRU!' in the public chat all the time. Remember, we only played about ten minutes. Remember, all the time. Kind of annoying.
I am not really sure who was the first one I guess it was G5 who just said stfu. This is ok to me. Every spec who joins a match and starts asking questions like 'Can I play?' receives a gruff 'sssshhh' from the audience. To me it belongs to the fair play and is part of a not written rule not to bother the opponent trough chat while a match is running.
Player9 (I was told it was teen) started getting pertly after G5 said this and told him to shut up and something more.
The person I am I asked him kindly: 'Could you be as so nice as to stfu so we are able to play?'. He answered no.
I don't know why, this may be the part I missed something. It may be because of my friendly question or my stupid english, but this moment Player9 seemed to realize most of DS are german speaking and he started making weird fun of germans. Lizmatic had her fun with that, too.
Because Player9's answer wasnt the one I hoped to receive, I asked him if he really wants me to silence him. Those were the last seconds I was on the server. While G5 was getting angry in our skype conversation about the unacceptable behaving of Lizmatic and Player9, I wanted to silence Player9 in my police menu to be able to play serious, but all I got was a kick from our own server. I wasn't able to rejoin, because I got banned for being kicked too often.
From now on all I can talk about is what I heard trough the skype conversation. No need to tell you that noone of my own team kicked me off the server. I think mesc was the next one leaving the server, not because he was kicked but because he realized this won't find a regular ending.
I have to point out that I told the rest of the ingame DSers to leave the server immediatly, before the match time is over. I wasn't able to rejoin the server, which was not acceptable for me. There was nothing serious in this match, from the start until the end!
Sunny asked me if I kicked any PLUSers or resetted the score. I did not. If it would have been me I would have told you that.
Some minutes after this I left the following comment on the plus fpl page, because I wanted to know if we are about to re-schedule this match:
'WTF, conc? Aren't you able to have control of your team?
I was kicked from the server and got a ban- on our own server!!
Who was player 9, btw? He isn't signed in on the roster and so he isnt allowed to play. I knew you as a reliable player, why this mess?
I hope you are thinking about a serious rematch or at least have the balls to make this a win for DS. And btw get a muzzle for lizmatic.'
You should read their replies. Shows a lot of the person behind.
According to the replies and to cite an example DS retired from the FPL today. Here is the news from our forum:
'As a direct result from unacceptable behaving and inability of a teamcaptain ~|DS|~ likes to announce its retrievement from the Fortress Premier League (FPL). On sunday the schedulded match against PLUS went terribly wrong while members of the opponent team weren't able to behave the right way. Not to mention Concord, who seem to had his education in a Rudolf Steiner school. Get some balls, man! QUOTE I don't want to control my teammates. PUSSY!!With this step we want to cite an example for no tolerancy to unacceptable ingame behaving. Players like Lizmatic or teen should be told that their behaving isn't tolerated any longer. This is something which could kill every ingame fun and should be important for all of us and not just DS.Like all of you know DS is a very tolerant and friendly clan. We try not to bring up any quarrel against other clans/players. There is no need for it. We always try to be in a good relation to other existing clans/teams. This is just a game we all want to play in our free time. Who loves having trouble in his free time?To avoid more players who aren't able to behave the right way or get a better valve for frustration I please everyone of you who has the powers to start the teaching right now! Me will think about some solutions and is willing to get his fun back on the grid.zion......thank you!'

Me is honest with this. I don't know how much you trust me. Get me into a conversation to find answers for your last questions. All I can tell you is this: This is nothing which is a problem of DS- we all need to take action right now and show persons who aren't able to behave the right way that we won't accept this! Take a look at Lizmatic's first quote to this:
No drama, that'll come @ ladle27. :D
It is up to all of us to avoid more quarrel with people like that. According to this you should have a closer look to teens (I am) comments on the plus fpl page.
http://fortresspremierleague.pbworks.com/Plus
Seems to me he wanted to join us once but was too bad to get in. That was the moment he started hating DS. Poor guy. Flaming on others trough the internet...muhahaha, meet me in Berlin my friend and tell it to my face, otherwise all you make fun of is yourself.

@word: Here's the exact quote (from the plus fpl page comments)
I am not able to nor do I wish to control any teammates actions.
Ok, I think this is enough for the moment. Like I said in the news I am actually thinking about solving this problem and will let all of you know about my solutions.


zion...

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Re: Forfeit in the FPL

Post by Word »

ok good, thanks for posting this. next time please edit the structure and the quotes, it can be a pain to read this :wink: .

zion wrote:Seems to me he wanted to join us once but was too bad to get in. That was the moment he started hating DS. Poor guy. Flaming on others trough the internet...muhahaha, meet me in Berlin my friend and tell it to my face, otherwise all you make fun of is yourself.
For your information Player 9 is still teen and and as far as I know he never applied for DS.
ewww...please talk about this in personal messages.

We have now

1) Lizmatic and teen who say zion or G5 kicked them
2) Zion and G5 who say they have no admin rights (or haven't used them)
3) no logfiles, screenshots or aarecs.

-> rematch.
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