DEAR BUENA VISTA,kyle wrote:I like your idea 2020 just forgot to say so above
It would be nice if they implement some of the hacks that we added to tron.
WE LIKE TRNO PLZ ADD RUBBER TO UR MOVIE AND FOR TRESS
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TR2N/Tron 2 Thread (Was: Tron sequel coming!)
I want to see some interesting mazing.. and some reallly cool new looks..
Maybe after the movie we can actually make a new client to go with the new movie?
v4? hehe with like a totally new code 
They at least should have some double binds in there too... and maybe some sort of sumo.. and fortress! heck everything apart from high rubber!
Maybe after the movie we can actually make a new client to go with the new movie?
v4? hehe with like a totally new code They at least should have some double binds in there too... and maybe some sort of sumo.. and fortress! heck everything apart from high rubber!
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legal issues ++
we are small fish
and the chances are
we won't pop up on their radar
but
if we do
we are gonners
it might make more sense
if we are pro-active...
because even if we want to get into contact with them
the chances of getting through to anyone important is slim
as for numbers of players
i suspect that we don't have to worry about that until it becomes a realistic possibility
as some might already know
i play a deep game
not just on the grid
but wrt the open-source movement
and social change
and i would like to draw the community's attention to this quality of opportunity
at dr joe and zman:
are you suggesting that they are the big boys and we are just kids?
perhaps i am over-estimating the depth of this game
and the passion which players have for it...
we are small fish
and the chances are
we won't pop up on their radar
but
if we do
we are gonners
it might make more sense
if we are pro-active...
because even if we want to get into contact with them
the chances of getting through to anyone important is slim
as for numbers of players
i suspect that we don't have to worry about that until it becomes a realistic possibility
as some might already know
i play a deep game
not just on the grid
but wrt the open-source movement
and social change
and i would like to draw the community's attention to this quality of opportunity
at dr joe and zman:
are you suggesting that they are the big boys and we are just kids?
perhaps i am over-estimating the depth of this game
and the passion which players have for it...
hold the line
Heh, Joe.
@2020
I don't think you're going to move us to try anything like what you're suggesting, but I don't know that I care either way. I see it like this: Disney didn't bring Tron to any new generations, they made it and tried to capitalize on it and mostly failed. So they shelved it. Tron's not Snow White, and it never will be. The reason there are younger generations now that like Tron and the reason there's a money-making opportunity for Disney is because of people like us.
But the people like us are the same ones who have a bit of angst at Disney for shelving the game in the first place. Now Disney's threatening to go make a ton of money off their first movie by making a sequel, but if it weren't for all of us old fogies, they would have nothing. Tron would be out of print--for good.
So why should we try to get involved? If it works out, they'll sue us so they can get all available money from "their" investment (and the audience we've nurtured over the years, where "we" is the larger body of original tron fans). If it doesn't work out, they'll sue us because it's our fault. Is there any happy ending in what you propose?
As it happens, there is, and it's for Disney to use our game as the base from which to build their own. But you know what? Then they'll go after andre, and I have to admit I'd rather not have that.
I think we're better off considering how we can permanently divorce ourselves from the movie and show that while we may have roots as a light cycle game, we have our own independent game and then wager on our contribution to Disney's new market for a Tron sequel.
@2020
I don't think you're going to move us to try anything like what you're suggesting, but I don't know that I care either way. I see it like this: Disney didn't bring Tron to any new generations, they made it and tried to capitalize on it and mostly failed. So they shelved it. Tron's not Snow White, and it never will be. The reason there are younger generations now that like Tron and the reason there's a money-making opportunity for Disney is because of people like us.
But the people like us are the same ones who have a bit of angst at Disney for shelving the game in the first place. Now Disney's threatening to go make a ton of money off their first movie by making a sequel, but if it weren't for all of us old fogies, they would have nothing. Tron would be out of print--for good.
So why should we try to get involved? If it works out, they'll sue us so they can get all available money from "their" investment (and the audience we've nurtured over the years, where "we" is the larger body of original tron fans). If it doesn't work out, they'll sue us because it's our fault. Is there any happy ending in what you propose?
As it happens, there is, and it's for Disney to use our game as the base from which to build their own. But you know what? Then they'll go after andre, and I have to admit I'd rather not have that.
I think we're better off considering how we can permanently divorce ourselves from the movie and show that while we may have roots as a light cycle game, we have our own independent game and then wager on our contribution to Disney's new market for a Tron sequel.
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Open Source VS Big Capitalism.
Its the big story of our time. Capitalism will fail. Not because it is intrinsically bad, although it is intrinsically amoral (thats a different story). I think capitalism will fail because it is an intermediate state of socio-economic evolution.
However as for us armagetronners, I must say I agree with Luzifer. Under the radar is good. Imho we do not want to risk being noticed by these 'guys'. They will start to investigate why they have lost a 'revenue opportunity'...
OK. Maybe Im a cynic. It comes with being English. I admire 2020's optimistic outlook.
I would of course like to mention that Tron is and always was a true Disney film. Considering that 'Burning Chrome' was published in the same year as Tron released it is immediately apparent that the thinking that was underlying Tron was vastly simplistic. In fact a sequel to Tron was released under the names 'The Thirteenth Floor', 'Existenz' and of course 'The Matrix' - a film that butchered most of Gibson's ideas and rather successfully pastiched (yes I did just make up a word) them into an action film.
Now we have envisaged cyber-space at its ultimate conclusion -- a simulation of reality that is indistinguishable from reality -- the Tron version of cyberspace is pitiful by comparison. A Tron sequel, therefore must either be conceptually even more ridiculous than the first or it must be so far removed from the original that it cannot even be called a sequel any more.
Its the big story of our time. Capitalism will fail. Not because it is intrinsically bad, although it is intrinsically amoral (thats a different story). I think capitalism will fail because it is an intermediate state of socio-economic evolution.
However as for us armagetronners, I must say I agree with Luzifer. Under the radar is good. Imho we do not want to risk being noticed by these 'guys'. They will start to investigate why they have lost a 'revenue opportunity'...
OK. Maybe Im a cynic. It comes with being English. I admire 2020's optimistic outlook.
I would of course like to mention that Tron is and always was a true Disney film. Considering that 'Burning Chrome' was published in the same year as Tron released it is immediately apparent that the thinking that was underlying Tron was vastly simplistic. In fact a sequel to Tron was released under the names 'The Thirteenth Floor', 'Existenz' and of course 'The Matrix' - a film that butchered most of Gibson's ideas and rather successfully pastiched (yes I did just make up a word) them into an action film.
Now we have envisaged cyber-space at its ultimate conclusion -- a simulation of reality that is indistinguishable from reality -- the Tron version of cyberspace is pitiful by comparison. A Tron sequel, therefore must either be conceptually even more ridiculous than the first or it must be so far removed from the original that it cannot even be called a sequel any more.
Inspired by Tron, not entering a blood agreement with Satan/Lord of Darkness AKA: Mickey Mouse.Tank Program wrote:I think sort of staying below the radar is a good thing. I don't particularly like the idea of potentially dealing with legal issues.
Amen.Lucifer wrote: I think we're better off considering how we can permanently divorce ourselves from the movie and show that while we may have roots as a light cycle game, we have our own independent game and then wager on our contribution to Disney's new market for a Tron sequel.
Quality of opportunity? For what? Recognition?...Ego Boost?... I doubt anyone here needs that type of re-enforcement.2020 wrote: and i would like to draw the community's attention to this quality of opportunity
Don't we really mean Get Paid?
Sell ad space on Arena walls...Circuit City Movie Pack???
Let's not forget: Terminator Trilogy; 2001; Beowulf; Any man vs monster/machine theme. But also anti establishment, like "The Machine." Lots rolled into one silly movie, like the light cycle sequence, no one could have predicted what a 2min and 44 second scene in the movie would have (re)-spawned such a response.{bit} wrote: In fact a sequel to Tron was released under the names 'The Thirteenth Floor', 'Existenz' and of course 'The Matrix' -
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Actually I specifically meant the theme of humans being able to experience a computer generated simulation of 3D reality that effects sight, touch, taste and feel.Starbuck wrote:Let's not forget: Terminator Trilogy; 2001; Beowulf; Any man vs monster/machine theme.
...but I get your point which is well made
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makes for interesting reading...
most comments seem to come from a rather powerless position
whereas
i think we have something brilliant to be proactive about
and no
i don't want to get disneyfied (bit
it really is an opportunity for open-source to feed into something mainstream
in fact
having looked at vids of steven lisberger
i think he is interested in this issue big time
and would be interested in ensuring that a film actually promotes open-source
that is
we do not need to get defencive
and locked into an us-them situation
but rather
let's evolve
(ps
i am aware of how fibril all our points appear in this medium
would be nice if we had some kind of real-life meeting
conference
party
thing)
most comments seem to come from a rather powerless position
whereas
i think we have something brilliant to be proactive about
and no
i don't want to get disneyfied (bit
it really is an opportunity for open-source to feed into something mainstream
in fact
having looked at vids of steven lisberger
i think he is interested in this issue big time
and would be interested in ensuring that a film actually promotes open-source
that is
we do not need to get defencive
and locked into an us-them situation
but rather
let's evolve
(ps
i am aware of how fibril all our points appear in this medium
would be nice if we had some kind of real-life meeting
conference
party
thing)
hold the line
2020 wrote: i think he is interested in this issue big time
and would be interested in ensuring that a film actually promotes open source ...
Well that does sound positive and encouraging.
Im always up for a meeting but we are spread so far apart. The good and bad nature of internet's global community2020 wrote:... some kind of real-life meeting
conference ...
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heheheh
it wasn't that bad
since it was written in 1982 with mainstream intentions...
i actually rewrote the entire film last summer
scene for scene
which makes for a completely different interpretation
but
looking back at it now
it seems rather impenetrable...
i was trying to play around with past-present-future
and instead of physical object displacement
temporal displacement
also wanted to break down the fourth wall
and include the viewer as a participant in the film
postmodern yada yada
anyhoo
no idea what the noun is....
it wasn't that bad
since it was written in 1982 with mainstream intentions...
i actually rewrote the entire film last summer
scene for scene
which makes for a completely different interpretation
but
looking back at it now
it seems rather impenetrable...
i was trying to play around with past-present-future
and instead of physical object displacement
temporal displacement
also wanted to break down the fourth wall
and include the viewer as a participant in the film
postmodern yada yada
anyhoo
no idea what the noun is....
hold the line