Respawn!

Your_mom · Post by **Your_mom** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:28 am

Another Rant with bad grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

This is pretty much relevant only for Groundpigs server Ctfsty. It seems with the addition to respawning theres been a couple people binding respawn chat keys (re). I can understand other people not getting as frustrated as me, but i decided I would share my thoughts.

Someone jumped down my throat for my instant chat key "Don't type respawn multiple times even one time can be annoying for players" . Now the problem with typing it just once, which no one can seem to figure out can be a nucence. Apparently its all right to type it once(over and over again) through out a round. The problem is it annoys me. I have the presence of mind to look at the hud and to pay attention when my teammates die so why should i have to read respawn every minute I'm playing when i already know I'm the one who has to respawn them. Because the last guy who was on your team didn't know how to play should i be punished? The reason it becomes a problem is because 80% of the time I cant respawn you anyway.

Lets see this guy has me trapped with barely enough room to turn while I'm guarding the flag. His other teammates waiting for him to die so he can come through the hole. And the other player on their team is camping our spawn so even if i survive the attack i have to deal with him.

Lets see you say it once i look up to read it and die. You say it multiple times and then start with “OMG IDIOT NOOB RESPAWN!!11!1one”. So no matter how many times you say it once or 20 its ...Not going to help me respawn you and its not productive.

Also I've noticed two things about people who type re multiple times; Usually the first to die; When someone else asks them to respawn they ignore it.

mkzelda · Post by **mkzelda** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:39 am

There are a lot of people who don't know better and you have to type respawn for them. Some people don't see it the first time either. I often don't see it when I'm wrapped up in the moment. I agree, someone saying it 20 times does nothing than prove that he's an asshole. I figure another instant chat that says "Affirmative" or even "Affirmative: I'll respawn when I can" would remedy your situation. I find myself requesting a respawn a lot but I have the opposite findings. Generally, I'm the only one who will respawn but when it comes time for me nobody will do it.

DrJoeTr0n · Post by **DrJoeTr0n** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:41 am

My favorite arguement is "It's a part of strategy! OMFG"

That's where you're wrong...

It's nothing more than the rantings of a sore loser who wants to get back into the game as fast as possible. It's all about them getting revenge (and will probably lose again) and no one else. They don't think as a team. It already says that you died. The general conception is that you need to be brought back. I'm more than sure thats what everyone thinks this so you don't need to say it.

Just so you all know starting now.

If you request to be brought back in anyway(within exception) It will be counted as being rude, and you will be ejected from the game.

Whats the exception? It's easy if someone is literally sunday driving on the road. Then a polite "hey we're all dead could you bring us back?" or anything of that nature. None of that typical "OMFG RE YOU (insert racial slur here).

Consider this your warning.

Post by **Lucifer** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:47 am

I feel warned.

EagleEye · Post by **EagleEye** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:14 am

much of the time it isnt really best for your team to respawn. How exactly would it be good for my team to give up an attack on the flag that is close to success to down the grid and respawn 1 player who will most likely die, and be asking to respawn by the time you get back to the enemies flag.

Even if your last. I think its probably better for your team to get the flag (if u think you are in a good postition to do so) before going to down to respawn, thereby saving 3 points while the enemy gets your own flag.

I agree with the rule for the most part. It does get annoying when someone insults another player for not respawning. Personally i dont think its really rude if the player says "re plz" or something like that once or twice. Only when someone as was mentioned above takes it too far either by insulting his team mate or by repeating the request every few seconds.

Someone may want to put this in the round console message or something cause i would say most ctf sty players are not members here.

the pig · Post by **the pig** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 5:42 am

I try to ignore it as best I can.

On a somewhat related note, my team usually gets mad at me for respawning the enemy team whenever I get a chance. Thats just good strategy right there. And funny too.

EagleEye · Post by **EagleEye** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 11:26 pm

i've done that once or twice. when i know that the other team isnt very good and that the ppl im respawning will probably come after me each time.

Post by **Lucifer** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:09 am

Well, I finally played this thing, and it was fun!

Here's my take. There's no one rule that fits when to respawn and when not to respawn. You have to be able to do your risk assessment pretty quickly.

Consider mom's situation: He's by himself defending his flag being attacked by 3 other guys. If he leaves his flag to respawn his team, he risks giving the other team 6 points right off the bat. I noticed that with a good relay setup, in the time it takes for the guy to go across to his base from his flag and back you could run his flag home twice. That's assuming the other team doesn't block him from his base and follow it up blocking him from the flag and then relaying up to infinity points.

So what do you do? I'm inclined to think mom should try to kill himself in the most inconvenient place possible and try to take out as many of the bad guys as possible. The risk is the same, giving up 6 points. 1 for his death because an enemy will be credited with it. 2 for the last surviving team, and 3 if they can run the flag back one more time before the round ends. If he can suicide bomb just right, he can mitigate the damage by picking up one or two points for his team and possibly prevent the other team from being able to run the flag back before the round ends. Gives up 3 points then, but may gain 2, a net gift of only 1 point to the other team and a guaranteed respawn of his entire team. (You guys that hate holes are going to hate the suicide bomb even more, I'll bet) This choice has the advantage of him not having to think his team is good, which is something he has to consider if he's going to try to respawn them through his base. If he gives up the 6 points to respawn his team, he needs to know that they'll make up the difference. Otherwise, call in the Doctor of Death.

On pig's respawning the other team.

Yeah, I can go with that. If you kill the other team, they get a free respawn. And if your team is behind, or particularly good, you're better off respawning the other team yourself so you can keep running their flag back.

And you guys that get respawned have to be on your toes! If mom has to go respawn you and leave his flag undefended, the person who respawns closest to the flag needs to cut across right away to protect it. Sure, maybe mom's coming back to defend it, but I lost count of how many times a team was able to run the flag back just because nobody bothered to step over to protect it when they were respawned.

So far I've only encountered one player who kept getting himself killed and then bitching about wanting a respawn, and he was probably bitching at me because he hadn't seen me before and didn't want to wait for the noob to figure out how to play. This could be because you guys have cracked down already, it could also be because my teammates were Manta and Skip.

(We won something like 70-10, which in hindsight wasn't much of a surprise) Anyway, even with some of the random teammates I got, it seemed like people did respawn when they could, they'd even go back and do it when they knew they needed to.

The thing that got on my nerves, though, was when someone accidentally teamkilled me, they were right next to the base, and they didn't respawn me. Personally, if I knew I had dead teammates and I was near the base, I went for the respawn every time. I also made sure to periodically go back and touch it even if I didn't have dead teammates because frequently when I got near it someone usually wound up dead for some reason and I could respawn them quickly.

What I thought was neat was when it was 4 v 4 and 3 of the other guys were dead. We had a guy defending our flag, two guys relaying the other flag back to our base (making sure not to accidentally kill the one surviving enemy), and me sitting in our base respawning my own teammates when they had a mishap.

All in all I loved the tactical options available, I'm sure I'll have a really long post (besides this one) talking about it sooner or later.

the pig · Post by **the pig** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:45 am

A common theme has been complaints about the team not defending the flag or respawning in the base. For the new players, they probably just don't know that they should be...

I had been kicking around some ideas about how to reward players that did defend the flag or were good respawners. Maybe after you defend the flag successfully for 1 minute, you get a powerup to go invincible for 5 seconds that you can use at any time. Or more rubber, speed, etc...

Anyway, that was before I got extremely busy, so maybe one of these days I'll have a chance to try new things out again.

Post by **Lucifer** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:02 am

You might consider a rescoring.

When the other team picks up the flag, your team puts 2 points in the pot and the other team puts 2 points in the pot. When the flag is placed in the base, the team who owns the base gets the pot. Edit: this might make more sense for one flag/2 bases.

Also, I thought it would be awfully helpful if a teammate could drop the flag. You have brakes disabled, can we use the brake to drop the flag?