{Vertigo} wrote:
Oh come on Lucifer why do you come over with these past things? Very very bad thats for sure and one of the darkest chapters in european history
You'll notice the Srebrenica massacre happened in the 90s, which isn't exactly ancient history. Politically, right now, the EU is in shambles. Their constitution was soundly rejected, they're fighting over whether or not to even consider Turkey as a candidate, and Germany looks like it's working on a new instance of political circumstances that originally allowed Hitler to rise in the first place.
Consider that it's only within the last 20 years that the other EU countries have become "free", where before they were run by oppressive communist puppet governments of the soviet union.
My point? You're not in a very good position to judge American politics. We have started no world wars, but we have finished one of them (and arguably the other, but I wouldn't support that argument). Like it, love it, or hate it, if we weren't there to fight the Cold War, then the EU would either all have become communist (and oppressive) or would now be a cinder. Yeah, I bitch all the time about how ugly US history is, but it's shiny platinum compared to EU history, and I won't put history in the past, because those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it. Europe's got a long way to go before they can show a series of kind, benevolent, and responsible governments. Don't forget your place in the world. Before the Cold War, European powers were the most imperialistic nations in the world, and current American imperialism pales in comparison.
You'll also notice that most of the links I presented are things that have happened within the last 20 years. I threw in the holocaust link for fun, but every other link was about events that are recent enough to be considered current.
but I´m talking about the present and about a law that allows people to shoot each other when they get offended. Im talking about e.g. a person showing the other the middlefinger cause I dont know they argued about a parking place. It gets a lil rough and
I didn't say the law was good or bad, what I said was you Europeans need to get off your high horse. You bitch about how America is on this holier-than-thou trip and running around trying to bring the benefits of American society to the world, but you have absolutely nothing to show that can be empirically determined to be better or superior to what America has to offer. So you need to quit pretending you do and try to work with us to find real solutions to real problems instead of spouting off about how wonderful everything is in Europe.
But the fact is: A private person shouldnt be allowed to carry a gun.
Some of the darkest chapters in history could have prevented if private people had been allowed to carry guns.
And
Fonkay: We´re talking about 70 Million people owning a gun.
Pretty much eh....
You can't really ignore the ratio. 24% of Indians is a much higher number than 24% of Americans (I think, you can double check it and I'll just change my story to China, if you'd like). I live in the heart of Texas, where private citizens have been able to carry concealed handguns for 8 years or so (a law that Bush signed when he was governor of Texas), and you know what I find? I find very friendly, polite people.
The 2nd amendment is about tyranny and oppression. A brief history.
The first shot in the American Revolutionary War was fired when the Brits came to seize a stockpile of weapons. Among the first things a government must do to become oppressive is disarm the citizenry. Violence isn't pretty, and nobody around here wants to start a fight (yeah, there are exceptions, just like there were people in Europe that supported going to Iraq in spite of what the UN and their other governments were saying). But without an armed citizenry, how do you keep your government in check? When they rig the elections, what do you do? When they strip you of your rights in favor of a war effort, or in fear of some specific group of people, what do you do? When they round up your citizens and put them in concentration camps, what do you do?
Hopefully you don't intend to fight a war with sticks and stones against a 21st century army.
