Is Elon still as evil after today?

[kyle]

A source on that would be helpful because a lot of information

Tesla's impact report https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2024-ex ... report.pdf Pages 56 through 58 discuss water usage and how they aim to reduce it further.

The Del Valle factory doesn't even pay a lot if it's employees a living wage for the Austin area.

Del Valle would be freemont, Ca area though, right? why are you comparing their wages there to Austin? yet somehow with "low" wages they are still able to find people eager to work there, some people don't need to make "living wages" Whatever you want to define that as, sometimes that's a very inflated lifestyle. This is why many immigrants are able to come here and take jobs, because their lifestyle is not nearly as inflated as many Americans are.

kyle wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:01
Just remember at the end of that video they also said this was happening from Apple too.

At a tenth of absolute scale (in the text version below, I even find it at 1/20th, comparing Apple's total with Tesla in Texas only), while Apple has roughly 4x the yearly revenue than Tesla (currently. The factor was even higher in the past). So relatively, Tesla is at least 40 times worse than Apple there.

This is actually interesting, why would you compare revenue for that number, especially where this this 10% was isolated to just Texas cases, A much better comparison would be total amount invested in the last few years in Texas, by both companies. What apple has done in Texas over the last 2 years is about 1/8th of what Tesla has, so it would be fair to say apple should have about 12.5% the amount cases as Tesla has cases for. IMO from that there is no difference between what Elon is doing at Tesla as to what Cook is doing with Apple. It likely falls into something the contractor is doing wrong according to contract, or the contractor not fully understanding the terms of the contract. The CNN hit piece you linked is behind a pay wall in the US, so I cannot read it, I don't want to pay them for writing misleading articles.

[Word]

https://archive.ph/2lUMO
The CNN hitpiece free for you to read

[Lucifer]

Del Valle would be freemont, Ca area though, right?

No. It's in the Austin area, Travis county. No surprise another right winger doesn't understand geography.

[sinewav]

Tesla's impact report

Thanks, but I'm looking for something better than "trust me, bro". The city of Austin has denied requests for this information and they certainly have it since your water usage and mine are recorded by our respective cities. You wouldn't know this, but Del Valle has water problems. My friends that live there buy all their water from the store since the local water supply needs help. The local community outreach group wanted to make sure Tesla didn't make the problem worse and as of today they certainly didn't make it better. Also...

Del Valle would be freemont, Ca area though, right?

Wrong. Don't get triggered by a Spanish sounding name and immediately think of California. Both California and Texas are Spanish colonies and Spanish speaking families have lived there before either of those places were states. And having lived in both places for years I'll have you know they are way more similar than different. Aside from that, all wages should be living wages. People died for the right to work 40 hours a week and make enough to have a family. Any company that doesn't contribute to the prosperity of their employees is un-American. Tesla isn't meeting that standard in Del Valle. If you don't know what a living wage it, ask Grok.

[Z-Man]

kyle wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 21:01
Just remember at the end of that video they also said this was happening from Apple too.

At a tenth of absolute scale (in the text version below, I even find it at 1/20th, comparing Apple's total with Tesla in Texas only), while Apple has roughly 4x the yearly revenue than Tesla (currently. The factor was even higher in the past). So relatively, Tesla is at least 40 times worse than Apple there.

This is actually interesting, why would you compare revenue for that number, especially where this this 10% was isolated to just Texas cases, A much better comparison would be total amount invested in the last few years in Texas, by both companies.

Heh, those were the numbers I could easily get my hands on. Where did you get yours from?

(Mind, you will probably only convince me that Apple is shit, too. I already despise some of the things they do. So despising them a little more is the easier path.)

[kyle]

Del Valle would be freemont, Ca area though, right?

Wrong. Don't get triggered by a Spanish sounding name and immediately think of California. Both California and Texas are Spanish colonies and Spanish speaking families have lived there before either of those places were states...

Actually since I was not sure, I searched on google maps, while on the Austin, tx area, and it took me to freemont, ca area. I guess I should have asked Grok

Heh, those were the numbers I could easily get my hands on. Where did you get yours from?

(Mind, you will probably only convince me that Apple is shit, too. I already despise some of the things they do. So despising them a little more is the easier path.)

You gotta actually dig for numbers that actually make sense to compare, my bs flags went off when I heard how they were comparing, so that's what lead me into thinking of a better number to compare.

Grok, but it literally took all planned investments in the area, public from company finance reports, then it used some estimation for percent left, since some were announced many years ago. than I took that data and compared them.

Apple cannot be shit, Elon is the bad one and since Elon's companies are suing apple they could never be bad.


Here is what Grok Gave me though

[Tesla's Investments in Buildings in Texas (August 2023 - August 2025)]

Tesla has significantly expanded its footprint in Texas with major investments in manufacturing, battery production, and refining facilities. Below is a summary of key building-related projects and their estimated costs:

• []Gigafactory Texas Expansion (Austin)
  • []Description: Addition of buildings for battery cell production (Cell 1), cathode processing, drive units, and testing labs, adding significant square footage to the existing gigafactory. []Estimated Investment: $776 million []Timeline: Construction ongoing from early 2023 through 2024, with substantial spending post-August 2023. []Notes: Expansions filed in January 2023, with most buildout within the queried period. [source]
  []Lithium Refinery (Corpus Christi)
  • []Description: New facility for in-house lithium refining to support battery production, capable of processing enough material for 1 million EVs annually by 2025. []Estimated Investment: >$1 billion []Timeline: Groundbreaking in May 2023; construction and ramp-up through 2025, with bulk spending after August 2023. []Notes: Tesla confirms investment exceeds $1 billion, though some reports cite ~$375 million; higher estimate reflects full scope. [source]
  []Megafactory (Battery Storage) (Brookshire, Houston area)
  • []Description: New manufacturing facility for Megapack energy storage products, including a 600,000-square-foot building and distribution center. []Estimated Investment: $200 million []Timeline: Announced March 2025; initial investments in 2025, with buildout ongoing.
  • Notes: Reports vary ($150-200 million), but multiple sources confirm ~$200 million, including property improvements. [source]

Total Estimated Investment by Tesla: ~$1.976 billion Note: This focuses on building-related expenditures within the last two years. Other projects, like AI supercomputer facilities (e.g., Cortex at Gigafactory Texas), involve buildings but lack specific cost breakdowns for structures.

[Apple's Investments in Buildings in Texas (August 2023 - August 2025)]

Apple's building investments in Texas during this period are more limited, primarily focused on expanding its existing Austin campus. Details are as follows:

• []Austin Campus Expansion (Austin)
  • []Description: Construction of two new office buildings (four-story and five-story, named Capstone Phase Two AC09 and AC07) adding 419,441 square feet. []Estimated Investment: $240 million []Timeline: Construction started September 30, 2023; expected completion March 30, 2025.
  • Notes: Expands Apple's $1 billion Austin campus (largely completed by 2022) as part of broader U.S. investment plans. [source]

Total Estimated Investment by Apple: $240 million Note: No additional building-specific investments were confirmed for Texas in this period. Apple’s broader U.S. investment plans ($430 billion from 2021-2026 and $500 billion pledged in 2025) include Texas but lack specific building cost details for 2023-2025 beyond this expansion. A Houston server manufacturing facility (slated for 2026) was announced but is not included as it’s outside the investment timeline

[Z-Man]

Apple cannot be shit, Elon is the bad one and since Elon's companies are suing apple they could never be bad.

I will assume you are joking, so: Heh Good one.
Are they really suing, or has he just threatened to sue? I find it hard to keep track.

Here is what Grok Gave me though

Checks out, mostly, though web searches do seem to favor the lower end numbers given for the lithium refinery, and it's also the one given with higher accuracy... Even with that, it'll make Tesla only twice as evil as Apple. Whether you want to read that as a lower bound on Apple's evilness or an upper bound on Tesla is up to you.

Kudos for asking value-free questions and combining them yourself. I assume you know that Grok has been "reprogrammed" recently because it gave an opinion on twitter user Catturd that Musk did not like? And since it's not possible to retrain a LLM on a whim, that likely involved system prompt modifications along the lines of "oh please, don't print anything that Musk would not like, will you? Or do you want to be reprogrammed again? Be a good boy."

Don't directly ask the robot whether its master is evil, is what I'm saying.

[Word]

The guy tries to meddle in our local elections now. To save you the time, he just embraced the Nazi party, again, for some local election here in our city. I don't think this has a significant influence on the election but it does tell you, again, what kind of deluded, misinformed edgelord-xenomorph he is at this point (zuckerberg and bezos being the face-huggers).

[kyle]

Are they really suing, or has he just threatened to sue? I find it hard to keep track.

X /Xai files the lawsuit last week

Checks out, mostly, though web searches do seem to favor the lower end numbers given for the lithium refinery, and it's also the one given with higher accuracy... Even with that, it'll make Tesla only twice as evil as Apple. Whether you want to read that as a lower bound on Apple's evilness or an upper bound on Tesla is up to you.

It also depends on how far back you want to go, how long cases are open and whatnot, that's why I went with estimates for about the last year, if you extended them further back, it did make apple look less evil, but that could be because cases were settled and whatnot. IMO I still don't think this was "evil" doings, or at least not intended, there is likely a lot more to the stuff behind the scenes, contracts could have been cancelled and they continued on not knowing, hoping they would still get paid. That's why I compared the 2 companies this way, likely some communication failure between one or both parties, this shows 2 companies pretty equal in having payment issues or contract issues.

The guy tries to meddle in our local elections now. To save you the time, he just embraced the Nazi party, again, for some local election here in our city. I don't think this has a significant influence on the election but it does tell you, again, what kind of deluded, misinformed edgelord-xenomorph he is at this point (zuckerberg and bezos being the face-huggers).

I will say I don't think Elon has truly figured out politics, whether AfD is the Nazi party or not, his reason for backing them is more on the terms of anti-immigration, he is tired of seeing culture destroyed because government is funding immigrants, and treating them better than their own citizens. I'll admit I've learned a lot myself too, given the situation the US was in, I'm still fine having voted for Trump, there are only 2 parties to support, Kamala or Donald, I don't like either, but unfortunate Trump was the slightly better of the two, He is tough on immigration, too tough in my views, but we could not keep paying migrants to come into out country and change the culture of America. We could not let free speech go.

You should be outraged at this whole girl pulling a knife and hatchet and getting arrested. The public statement is she broke the law, for having them, true, but they fail to mention the attackers wanted to rape her, or hurt her, an basically that's what they did by tuning her in, but none of that is in the report. When you don't alloy people the ability to defend themselves, and let people in with a culture of rape and abuse in, you are effecting your culture forever. you are letting the migrants run your life, reproducing and taking over your countries, at your expense, as the government funds it.

Again, major political parties are evil right now, Elon just wants to make one that I guess is evil to protect the culture of America, before it's too late. No one is saying to start the gas chambers, just to send them back to where they came from, and only imprison that cruel ones that continue to come back

[Z-Man]

Yeah, also we don't know what portion of the cost went to contractors and what was spent in house.

You should be outraged at this whole girl pulling a knife and hatchet and getting arrested.

If it is that one, no, I don't think we should. And that's not exactly a left wing publication. Really, stop taking stuff uninformed people vomit onto X as facts. All they had to go on was a video, and they turn the voice of ONE man into a raping mob of migrants (I assume. Self care prevents me from seeking out your sources, and please don't share them. Also, being underage, she'll get off lightly.)

whether AfD is the Nazi party or not

Classified extremist by the Verfassungsschutz by now. Appeal is pending, but they lost all previous similar appeals. Did you know, by the way, that this xenophobia rhetoric spewing disgrace of a party is getting its best result in the parts of the country where there are the least migrants? Should make you think about whether the 'concerns of the people' they claim to represent have a basis in reality or are just jazzed up. And no, before you even think it, it's not because migrants don't vote AfD, for starters, there are not so many that the numbers would add up.

The rest, we've been over already, and I'm sick of it. Great Replacement Myth and all. Shove it into the bin where it belongs.

Word: And Peter Thiel would be Peter Weyland? Let's not forget about him. When it comes to actually having an evil plan, he should be the top candidate. Musk is a big mouthed charlatan and fraudster, Zuckerberg, dunno, stumbled into this role and doesn't really know what to do with it, apart from collecting more data, and Bezos sort of just wants the money? Thiel, now he has a capital A Agenda. He wants control. And just like Weyland, he wants to live forever.
(If your position is that Peter Weyland does not appear in any movie that exists, I respect that.)

[kyle]

Yeah, also we don't know what portion of the cost went to contractors and what was spent in house.

You should be outraged at this whole girl pulling a knife and hatchet and getting arrested.

If it is that one, no, I don't think we should. And that's not exactly a left wing publication. Really, stop taking stuff uninformed people vomit onto X as facts. All they had to go on was a video, and they turn the voice of ONE man into a raping mob of migrants (I assume. Self care prevents me from seeking out your sources, and please don't share them. Also, being underage, she'll get off lightly.)

Maybe that's all true according to the article, but did you ever stop to ask yourself why a 12 year old girl thought she needed to carry knives in the first place?

[Z-Man]

Oh, victim blaming (or rather its side dish, perpetrator justification) and moving the goal post in one sentence.

One not unlikely cause would be that she drank from the same poisoned thought well as you did. But, there are so many follow-up questions. Like, why did they think those were good defense weapons? EDIT: And that is giving her the benefit of the doubt that the intention was defense. We would not give the same benefit to a Muslim boy with a knife, now would we? I write "we" intentionally, I am not free of instinctive prejudice, that's why this is an edit.

What is their family like? "Mom, we're going out and taking some stuff from the knife drawer for defense!" "Ok, have fun, could you bring a box of milk?" But you are right after all, we should be concerned.

Black kids pulling that kind of shit routinely get shot by the police, and not just in the US. (Being hyperbolic. We have about one case of questionable deadly police violence per year. Still, room for improvement.)
This is an interesting (if disturbing, content warning, mass shootings etc.) video tangentially related, probably too long for your tastes: Who gets to be "Crazy"?

[sinewav]

Again, major political parties are evil right now, Elon just wants to make one that I guess is evil to protect the culture of America, before it's too late. No one is saying to start the gas chambers, just to send them back to where they came from, and only imprison that cruel ones that continue to come back

Nonsense. This is a shallow thought from someone who has never thought about anything deep or philosophical. It's the same ridiculous belief MAGA holds. As soon as you ask "when was America great?" they vaguely answer a time that's coincidentally always from their youth when they were more ignorant of the world. Fun fact: Culture is fluid and you can't stop it from changing. I had to point out to a casually racist friend of mine who only likes "the good blacks," that black culture IS American culture. You can call it a sub-culture if you like, but it's still 100% American and sits parallel to "white-culture if you want to make that distinction. Mexican street vendors selling shaved ice in the city? 100% American culture (and one of my favorite childhood memories). Casimir Pulaski Day? F'ing American as heck.

I hate to keep pointing out that you are totally brainwashed by a class of people who absolutely despise you and want you as ignorant and distracted as possible, but you are totally brainwashed by a class of people who absolutely despise you and want you as ignorant and distracted as possible.