Is Elon still as evil after today?

[kyle]

I saw this and was thinking what a statement made after a crazy day today, between the Elon and Trump fight, then realized it was posted before

...Elon Musk is a donor but in this particular case the cause is fine...

After today I think it's clear Elon is not the evil person you all though he was when he supported Trump.

[Word]

Slashing USAID will still contribute to the deaths of millions of people, what DOGE/Trump did to NASA and climate science is ******* scary and how the US government is treating many non-white people, including US citizens, is still undignified for a democracy. Trump is still in power and Musk helped make that come true.

Also think about this: You're the richest man in the world and you used to have a successful business, but you've dabbled for a year or longer in right-wing politics and "by accident" did some overtly fascist stuff that endangers your relationship with investors and the confidence of the customers to buy your product. You've tried what you can to change public policy to your own private businesses' benefit. What do you do when your business goes sideways and the political tide turns so you can keep making money and restore your reputation to some degree?
You very publicly renounce your fascist ties. It's the exact same opportunism all the other tech billionaires are fond of. I hope he won't stand on a stage between Bernie Sanders and AOC any time soon to suck up to the lefties so they buy Tesla cars and shares, but then again, probably better than him being celebrated as the world's richest fascist.

Also also, isn't he supposed to be loyal?

You consider it "crazy" when two rich narcissists clash with each other and now I'd like to know what your current opinion of Trump is. Is he bad now that Musk suddenly doesn't get along with him? Or because he has some connection to Jeffrey Epstein (that was public knowledge before the election)?

[Lucifer]

I'm actually going to use "I'm on my phone" as an excuse for not writing a longer response.

Elon was never evil. He was always a douchebag. He over promises and under delivers all the time, and DOGE was no exception.

He did exactly what I predicted. Once he got in and saw what government does, he realized he couldn't do what he said he'd do.

None of what I said is meant to excuse him. If I were an investor looking at Elon, I wouldn't invest. He got raked into the biggest scam this country has ever seen. He went willingly, showing how weak willed he actually is.

Elon was never evil, just stupid

[sinewav]

Just because two rotten people argue doesn't mean either of them support my values. And now it comes out that Musk is a drug addict too? Definitely not a role model. There are so many better successful people to admire, like Satya Nadella for instance.

[kyle]

I really don't know why I even post here anymore, you are way too controlled by the media narrative. maybe I hoped hat you guys were smarter than falling for the opinion columns in the news, I guess I was wrong.

Elon Musk is not a NAZZI, The same hand gestures have been done by many people in recent years, but somehow they are not Nazis
Elon Musk is not a Drug addict, he tried it at one time as a prescription for depression, and the BS news ran with it
DOGE obviously failed to deliver, because Trump would not allow him to make cuts to the programs propping up republicans

Trumps attacks on Elon are all Lies
Elons attacks on BBB is the truth, and on Trump, probably truth.

Elon basically admitted he got played by Trump, I still would not in a million years have voted for Kamala over Trump, She would have destroyed America much faster

[Word]

Kyle if you re-read our replies to -your- question then you see that each of us brings up different reasons for not worshipping your false gods and affirming you in your worldview. Opinion columns have very little to do with it. I don't even have time to read those and they usually express what I already think. I do watch conservative news snippets quite often through some late night comedy shows because it's like witnessing a car crash. I recommend you watch "Mountainhead" (and Succession, too, so you get to know the kind of people that are shaping your opinions), that movie shows where we are headed and why. I'm aware democrats can be full of shit, too, but:

I don't care what drugs Musk takes, but it's admittedly fitting for a wannabe dictator. He's a rich asshole with political power who is directly responsible for the misery of lots of poor people, both in the US and abroad. Same goes for Trump. They're destroying your economy, rule of law, education, freedom of the press and social groundwork for their own financial benefit and to your detriment. Democracy is turned into a discount autocracy/oligarchy that discourages climate science and scientific freedom, at least for the few critical years when we should really fight climate change. Scientists are leaving your country. The entire world economy hinges on two people's twitter outbursts. Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention the postwar world order, although that part is more complicated thanks to Putin and Xi. These very basic truths somehow don't make it to your brain, or you don't reach the logical conclusion, which is "This is not good. This is not normal".

Your MAGAverse is going through an identity crisis because your two most prominent figureheads don't get along anymore, and that's a good thing. Now they are accusing each other of stuff that has been out in the public for years which Trump voters haven't really been exposed to while living comfortably in their own media bubble. If you were serious about being well informed, you wouldn't take Elon Musk at his word, every single time, when there's lots of evidence for him being the asshole he is. The guy's Twitter feed is that of a 12-year-old incel like the one from "Adolescence". You don't become the world's richest man thanks to the sheer goodness of your heart.

Trumps attacks on Elon are all Lies

i thought you voted for this kindergarten. Also how can Musk be a genius and also be played by Trump, the most prolific serial liar of our time?

[sinewav]

Elon Musk is not a Drug addict...

That clip of him in the Oval Office says otherwise. As someone who has done drugs and been around drug users my whole life, that dude was obviously high as ****. I can't imagine someone without a drug problem being wasted in the presence of the president and national media. Regarding ketamine for depression, you don't just do ketamine in that scenario. You take a controlled dose in a clinical setting coupled with a guided therapy session. It's also difficult to get the therapy and I can't see how anyone with depression bad enough to get it would stop after one session. Ask me how I know.

I don't need the "media" to tell me what to believe. Elon Musk's own words are enough to make me think he's not only rather stupid but also dangerous. He's not a good person.

[Z-Man]

I see no reason to change my opinion. Well, almost none. There is a bit more "Gosh, he really is kind of dumb". If he learns from this and stops supporting right wing extremists (who are all, if nothing else, a bunch of liars), that would be something, then I'll root for his test rockets NOT exploding again

[kyle]

Elon himself has never been super extreme left or extreme right, Like myself I support things on both sides, left and right. I think a lot of Americans feel this way, they are not extreme right nor extreme left. Trump campaigned on Tax cuts and fixing the deficit, IE having DOGE solve spending problems. The problem is when the party in power gets elected it's the extreme swamp creatures(special interest) that actually run the country.

I watched the events unfold live on X, ya I did not get much work done that day. I know and I'm sure Elon knew that the EV credits were going to be gone, he's been against subsidies like this for a long time. but somehow Trump took that Elon was opposed to the bill because those were remove, that's what started making things escalate, as Elon pointed out that Trump was a liar, of curse Elon in there felt that without him Trump would not have been elected, and I could see it go either way, Elon did a lot of stuff that helped, but the democrats did everything the could to basically fail. of course this escalated into Elon talking about candling the Dragon program, and how Trump was on the Epstein list (which many implied Trump was a pedo). I agree this was a bit too far, but well wondered, in a way that did not really say he went to the island. Elon has since removed that post.

More importantly the problem is the extremes on both sides, one pro-union another pro-oil, I knew voting from trump I would not get everything he promised, but at the time, and still looking back, I feel it was much better than electing Kamala. That's the thing with American politics we are in a shit show of 2 extreme sides, where neither support my values, but one supported a few more than the other.

I do think Elon was maybe bit naive on politics when he endorsed Trump, but Trump promised most of what he cared about, it was not until the swamp created bills that he found out how bad it is. I mean I suppose like I said before, that he also uncovered some things with DOGE that were massive ways to funnel money to republicans that Trump would not allow be cut. I actually hope the DOGE program sticks, and when the left gets in those can also be removed.

We literally were invaded, and now we are being attacked, why else would people be flying Mexican flags in the united states, setting it ablaze. yet somehow the democrats are protecting these invaders. they don't care about being an American, they just care about being able to steal our resources, and the democrats want their votes, and then to count towards the population, and the unions probably want them to keep wedges low, because their living expenses (lifestyle inflation is low, as they can live on less than most Americans). Trust me I get that some people need to flee to here, and I get the republicans have went too far in some deportation efforts(and other efforts), but again noone wants to make it easier to come here legally, It's all about keeping lawyers in business, as long as there is a long backlog of cases, they are guaranteed work, this is way our laws are complicated, and the justice system then has a massive backlog

But you see these illegal immigrants coming here, was basically the same as Russia taking over parts of Ukraine, somehow Russia taking over part of Ukraine is bad, but people illegal immigrants starting to take over parts of the United states is good? It's just slightly different kinds of the concurring techniques.

Back to Elon now, on X he asked it people supported a new 3rd party, and 80% of the votes were in favor of it. We want Clean energy, we want a balanced budget, we want a simple legal system, we want stronger borders, but also legal immigration, you get a messed up version of some of that from the left and the right, there is no in between, and both continue to add to the deficit.

Word, I get it you are mad about USAID cuts, potentially causing deaths, but we have this odd form of poverty in the US too, and part of it, is we cannot give back to those in need here effectively because our nation is bankrupting itself by having programs like that, and when the government is involved, I would guess that only 1% or so it actually getting to people in need around the world, surely here was a surplus of the medication, that could last several months, the article you posted on the other thread basically assumed it was gone instantly, I don't think that was the case.

[Z-Man]

Elon himself has never been super extreme left or extreme right, Like myself

Yeah, he likes to say that, but look at who he supported over here. AfD. Reform UK. PVV (Geert Wilders) in the Netherlands. Well, MAGA. If they're not extreme right, I'm sure you can find me parties or factions in their parliaments that are more to the right?

And that immigration narrative you keep repeating? That is the far right framing. And I repeat: Right wing extremists are lying, constantly. Foreign flags in the US mean an invasion? Dude, we have a Portuguese flag flying in our window right now. Does that mean Z-Wife is an invader? Shit, gotta spy on her PC more, find out what she is up to.

DOGE has not been very successful at saving money. What was the promise? A trillion a year, maybe two? Even by their own account, which is heavily debated, it is at 150 Billion. If you overpromised in your job by a factor of 10, your boss would not be happy, I can tell you that. What it HAS been successful at is carrying out part of Project 2025. The part where they replace government employees loyal to the constitution and real Law and Order with people more loyal to Trump. For that, you have to get rid of the old guy there first, and letting the guy who cut down Twitter at it was, I hate to admit, a smart move.

But you see these illegal immigrants coming here, was basically the same as Russia taking over parts of Ukraine, somehow Russia taking over part of Ukraine is bad, but people illegal immigrants starting to take over parts of the United states is good? It's just slightly different kinds of the concurring techniques.

Ok, I want you to just go quiet and think about what you wrote there for a minute.

Back to Elon now, on X he asked it people supported a new 3rd party, and 80% of the votes were in favor of it. We want Clean energy, we want a balanced budget, we want a simple legal system, we want stronger borders, but also legal immigration, you get a messed up version of some of that from the left and the right, there is no in between, and both continue to add to the deficit.

Sure, and the right to due process. That all sounds fine. Let him have a go at it. Only thing is, he'll find that building things up in politics is harder than even the rocket stuff.
(OFC, at this point, asking on X is essentially asking his fanbase... you have to realize that.)

[Lucifer]

I live in one of the cities that's being invaded. I'm 2.5 hours from the border. It's a sanctuary city and everything.

I can tell you that there's no invasion. We're getting new Americans, and I love that.

[sinewav]

...the problem is the extremes on both sides, one pro-union another pro-oil...

It's crazy how people can be brainwashed to think unionization, the practice if fighting back against exploitation, is "extreme".

[kyle]

For the record I was referencing what was going on in Los Angeles last night, several cars were set on fire, while waving Mexico's flag. That is invasion, when you destroy the property in the country you are in and wave a foreign flag, you have no respect of wanting to be a part of this country, you want to take it over. So no I'm not talking about Z-Wife hanging a Portuguese flag in your window.

It's crazy how people can be brainwashed to think unionization, the practice if fighting back against exploitation, is "extreme".

Unions get in the way of innovation, people can be treated morally, without a union, and people can fight back without a union. it's the corruption of the unions that piss me off, mainly looking at the UAW, they collect dues, so they they can drum up a time for a strike, where they then can pay those workers to be on strike, well under minimum wage. yet the leader can live a lavish lifestyle. If you need a union you are at the bottom, find a way to get higher to a place where you don't need a union, because the union is keeping you poor despite what good you think it is doing for you.

Also can you link me to that clip where you are sure Elon is on drugs, I'm really curious about it.

[sinewav]

Unions get in the way of innovation...

Right-wing made-up nonsense you can't prove.

...because the union is keeping you poor despite what good you think it is doing for you.

Dumb statement. Everyone I know with a union job is solidly middle class. And thank god for that. One of my friends is not smart, ambitious, or talented, and if it weren't for his union job he would be living an awful life. Instead he owns a house, a muscle car (in addition to other cars), way too many gaming systems, and has a wife and two kids. Hell, his weekly unemployment checks are more than I've ever made. Don't mistake this fact as my support for unions, I think unions should be abolished and replaced with severe, enforceable regulations on businesses to stop exploitation.

Also can you link me to that clip where you are sure Elon is on drugs, I'm really curious about it.

The clips are everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wzWLnA5qZA0

High. on. drugs.

[Z-Man]

For the record I was referencing what was going on in Los Angeles last night, several cars were set on fire, while waving Mexico's flag.

I haven't seen any video or pictures where active destruction and flag waving was happening at the same time. I saw two guys posing with flags near burning stuff, which, sure, is bad enough. But I also saw a street full of people waving flags peacefully, and on the other side police obviously deliberately firing (less lethal ammunition) at press. And let's not forget what these people are protesting: They are protesting against masked thugs in unmarked vehicles raiding workspaces to abduct people. When stuff like that happens, it's one of the signs you already are living under Fascism.
Also, of course, Other people, other occasion, other flags, more violence, more attacks on law enforcement, A-OK according to the current administation. These people you let guide your attention, they are not good people.