Didn't help them, very telling.Mecca wrote:The winning region earned an additional spot at worlds. Also, the top 4 teams earned a first round bye at worlds.
Exactly.3/5 of the NA team didn't even make it to worlds.
Royal or NJS will win worlds.
Didn't help them, very telling.Mecca wrote:The winning region earned an additional spot at worlds. Also, the top 4 teams earned a first round bye at worlds.
Exactly.3/5 of the NA team didn't even make it to worlds.
So you're speaking there about AllStars, and you say that language barrier means nothing? 2 players of the EU team were from Gambit Gaming, all russian team that guess what, they use russian to communicate when they play. Alex Ich speaks a little english, but Diamonprox - the jungler, speaks no english whatsoever. In pro level of play communication is almost everything. Now imagine your jungler has no idea what are you trying to say. Now you still think it's not a disadvantage? When you think about soloq - you think about NA style. Everyone speaks english and can communicate. It wasn't the case for the allstar EU team. So obviously NA had an advantage.Mecca wrote:The language barrier means next to nothing when you practice ~40 hours a week with the same team for an entire season; no excuse there.
About TSM: nowhere, my bad.-*inS*- wrote:So if I am reading this right, Europeans are better at League of Legends than Americans, because your limited subjective experience in low elo ranked on each server.
I hope you realize that nearly every property about people is distributed along a bell curve. Give me a scientific reason why EU's mean would be higher than Na's other than "NA all kiddies"
When did I say TSM was close to fnatic wtf?
Where are you getting this data from?Bell curve, I call it Gaussian distribution. Anyway, scientific proof that the mean is higher ? Well didn't I just tell that NA players accounts had no Season 2 track while EUW accounts have S1 and S2 therefore have more experience and therefore a higher mean ?
Yes I am saying you don't have the data to support the claim that EUW is harder than NA solo queue.Yeah I said that gold 2 NA was nothing like gold 2 EUW and I stand by this, and I can't give you more proof that the basic logic I just pointed out just before because a proof would mean what, a match vs all EU vs all NA ? I can't do that.
I'm not even considering pro players here. If you take a random sample of people from NA/EUW solo q, they will fit into a bell curve of skills. You are suggesting that the mean of the EUW curve is significantly higher than NA's. I am curious about why there is any reason to believe that. One valid reason as you stated would be EUW has been playing the game much longer, however I don't see any factual evidence to back that claim up.About pro teams it is different, same rules do not apply (for science here, when you're too far from the center of a Gaussian distribution, you can be considered as a statistical error which means that if it is not an error (those players do exist) then it means that the rules that apply of the group you consider (here the community of the NA/EUW server) do not apply to them.
On what?Shall I do Chi-squared test or is it enough logic for you ?
As I said, there is no data you can base yourself on because it is two different realms.-*inS*- wrote:Where are you getting this data from?Bell curve, I call it Gaussian distribution. Anyway, scientific proof that the mean is higher ? Well didn't I just tell that NA players accounts had no Season 2 track while EUW accounts have S1 and S2 therefore have more experience and therefore a higher mean ?
Yes I am saying you don't have the data to support the claim that EUW is harder than NA solo queue.Yeah I said that gold 2 NA was nothing like gold 2 EUW and I stand by this, and I can't give you more proof that the basic logic I just pointed out just before because a proof would mean what, a match vs all EU vs all NA ? I can't do that.
I'm not even considering pro players here. If you take a random sample of people from NA/EUW solo q, they will fit into a bell curve of skills. You are suggesting that the mean of the EUW curve is significantly higher than NA's. I am curious about why there is any reason to believe that. One valid reason as you stated would be EUW has been playing the game much longer, however I don't see any factual evidence to back that claim up.About pro teams it is different, same rules do not apply (for science here, when you're too far from the center of a Gaussian distribution, you can be considered as a statistical error which means that if it is not an error (those players do exist) then it means that the rules that apply of the group you consider (here the community of the NA/EUW server) do not apply to them.
On what?Shall I do Chi-squared test or is it enough logic for you ?
Anyways feel free to write a proof and convince me if you can find any sort of data. Don't be shy about any maths, I'm getting my masters in mechanical engineering this spring.
thats the very argument i raised in the first place and you rejected it.-*inS*- wrote: - People on NA play less
400 * 9 (you don't count as one of these players) = 3600. There are ~134,251 gold players.takburger wrote: But lets say that playing 400 ranked games at gold elo give a reasonable random samples (you should know at your level that it is widely accepted at this level (400*10 makes 4000 players which is quite representative).
Well in term of percentage I agree it is rather small. But, to come back on Ins argumentation about university and stuff... I'm currently reading this book: Bryman, E. Bell (2007), Business research methods, Oxford University PressMecca wrote: You're working with a pretty small sample of players, dude.
Fnatic really didn't stomp C9. It was a close match.