Teachers only have to know stuff

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Phytotron wrote:
delinquent wrote:Here in the UK we have several different schooling systems.
As do we. (It's also more decentralized, even still, despite NCLB.) Indeed, see the talk about charter schools? Your "free schools" were based in part on American charter schools.
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Agreed, but in my opinion free schools have advanced somewhat since they have become more attuned to what A) The parents want for their children, and b) What the children's interests are in themselves. as a result, every week a new lesson becomes available, and a new vacancy appears. there is still the basic requirement of maths, English and sciences, and some enforce a language of the students choice, but most of the other lessons are to the choice of the student. many of the schools enforce a months trial of every subject, which also potentially broadens young peoples interests. increasingly, maany students are enquiring about.teaching their own classes in addition, which gives them the opportunity (under supervision) to pass on their own skills and also learn how to teach to a multitude of different learning styles.

I think, here, that it is important to point out (or perhaps re-inforce) that civilisation will never have a perfect mass educational system, and also that, increasingly, learning requirements are changing and even broadening quite.rapidly, pushing each country to further develop their various schooling techniques, and as a direct result of this (and the fact that many countries are regrettably slow on the uuptake) many children will miss out on the "ideal" education. I also think that debates like these should be printed and handed over to the many authorities, as some sort of ideas cabinet. the fact remains, however, that everyone always has an idea about what the "perfect system" should comprise of, and adhering to all the opinions in tthe world simply is not possible.

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I really must apologise for.my many typing errors, I'm using a rather small touchscreen pphone, and my thumbs hurt.
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They're different than American charter schools; I wouldn't necessarily say more advanced, because there's such a wide range of charter school types. I'm just saying the concept of free schools was based, in part, on the concept of charter schools in America, as well as Sweden. So says Wikipedia, so it must be true. (This isn't even considering the range of fully private schools in the US.)
I think, here, that it is important to point out (or perhaps re-inforce) that civilisation will never have a perfect mass educational system....
True for just about anything in the human experience. The point is to always be striving to improve, though. You don't reach perfection, but you can achieve great things along the way. That goes not only for civilization, but individuals too. As the preamble to the US Constitution says, "We the People of the United States...in order to form a more perfect Union...." More perfect, not perfect. Progress, never complacency! :)

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity." Which also partly answers....
Lucifer wrote:So, what do you WANT our education system to achieve?
Such a huge question. Put simplistically: Enlightenment, arts, civic responsibility. :P
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Phytotron wrote:
Lucifer wrote:So, what do you WANT our education system to achieve?
Such a huge question. Put simplistically: Enlightenment, arts, civic responsibility. :P
How about as a bullet list of things that can be directly measured that you believe will accomplish those goals? When I say "things", I mean skills and knowledge, mostly, but anything about method of instruction would be interesting to see.

I've been trying to work on my own list for a little bit (since I asked the question), but have been quite busy. Besides putting in nearly 60 hours a week in the shop, I've picked up some students for private tutoring. Then there's regular household stuff, yadayada. I'll get back to it soon, though. :)
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Someone said something about quite an interesting conspiracy theory today. He theorised that the educational systems in most countries are designed to teach students just enough to work in certain professions, where they merely "oil the machine" so to speak. Such is the effect, that those with all the money keep all the money, as in their eyes, money = power.

Whilst I'm wary about diving into these types of debates, I do see some merit here, albeit poorly explained.
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I didn't really like to open a new thread or post this in the election thread, but I thought it was a good article.


http://www.salon.com/2012/09/14/conserv ... eral_arts/

I notice this happening here too, even if on a smaller scale, and mostly driven by our social democratic party...
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