Ladle 58

DaGarBBaGeMAN · Post by **DaGarBBaGeMAN** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:38 am

aw, no zman this ladle?

PokeMaster · Post by **PokeMaster** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:06 am

http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtop ... =1&t=22547

DaGarBBaGeMAN · Post by **DaGarBBaGeMAN** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:33 am

oh man, that's so sad

sinewav · Post by **sinewav** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:35 am

Global player stats attached. I hope interested teams are keeping an eye on their stats here and on the wiki because this is damn hard to do every month. Takes like an hour and way more concentration than I usually have.

PokeMaster · Post by **PokeMaster** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:56 am

good stuff sine, that doesn't look all too bad (not diminishing the hard work you put in), so maybe i'll take a crack at it next time. And woot, R holds the record for most seeds!

sinewav · Post by **sinewav** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:38 am

PokeMaster wrote:good stuff sine, that doesn't look all too bad (not diminishing the hard work you put in), so maybe i'll take a crack at it next time.

I don't need anyone to step in, but I'd like all the teams to keep an eye on their own stats and check against mine for error checking purposes.

PokeMaster · Post by **PokeMaster** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:27 am

Ah, well since you ask, what I get for R (based off stats that I compiled myself a while ago and what I've added to it) is:
Played: 23 (rather than 25)
Seeds: 14 (rather than 13)
Matches Won: 88 (rather than 87)
Total Matches: Correct (I said this was wrong before the edit; it is 141)

I'll go back through the records and double check all of this (as well as get numbers for rounds, since I haven't done those).

Edit: Fixed values above and confirmed everything else.

PokeMaster · Post by **PokeMaster** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:21 am

Out of interest I started looking at seeding percentages out of number of Ladles played, but that's clearly not a fair statistic since seeding has only been around since Ladle 37. I don't want to add work for you, but it might be nice to add a column next to seeds called like, "Times in Semis" or "Would-have-been Seeds," just so that the percentages aren't so skewed against older teams.

sinewav · Post by **sinewav** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:45 am

PokeMaster wrote:...just so that the percentages aren't so skewed against older teams.

You're kidding, right? First, there are no percentages ANYWHERE. If you have a percentage, it's because you made it up. Second, these are global stats -- this history of Ladle. It is raw data and it can't be skewed. If you don't like how your numbers are shaping up you are free to add your own column or simply reinterpret the data differently. It's all for your own amusement anyway. I personally don't see a benefit to recording "would have been seeds." That's just silly. Some Ladles only had 4 teams. Give everyone a seed who shows up? And recording seeds has no real benefit anyway, it's just something I recorded because it was easy and I found it interesting.

PokeMaster · Post by **PokeMaster** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:39 am

Good point. My point though was that one of the most often ways to interpret data is to take it as a percentage, and that if you took a percentage of seeding out of number of times played, that would look bad for older teams that have played both before and after seeding. You're right though, that's up to those who tack on those percentages to determine their significance.

dreadlord · Post by **dreadlord** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:03 am

First of all, congratulations SP for winning the ladle and CT for winning against us. Besides, nice matches R.

sinewav wrote:Global player stats attached. I hope interested teams are keeping an eye on their stats here and on the wiki because this is damn hard to do every month. Takes like an hour and way more concentration than I usually have.

Well, I'd really like to open the stats, but somehow my Adobe Reader does not manage to do it. Any advice on a different program I could use?

1200 · Post by **1200** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:41 am

I'm also curious to see the player stats for the ladles.
I think DLH did for some of the past ladles. Are they still being kept?
If not how can we get that back up again??

ppotter · Post by **ppotter** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:57 pm

dreadlord wrote:First of all, congratulations SP for winning the ladle and CT for winning against us. Besides, nice matches R.

sinewav wrote:Global player stats attached. I hope interested teams are keeping an eye on their stats here and on the wiki because this is damn hard to do every month. Takes like an hour and way more concentration than I usually have.
Well, I'd really like to open the stats, but somehow my Adobe Reader does not manage to do it. Any advice on a different program I could use?

Microsoft Excel or the Open Office equivalent.

dreadlord · Post by **dreadlord** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:09 pm

That worked, thanks. Revolver's stats are right.

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:33 pm

I did record some things:

Final:
final_ctliv_ct_vs_sgp.aarec 44504kb 5179s

Semis:
f4_ctliv_ct_vs_rev.aarec 34700kb 3979s
f4_mbx_unk_vs_sgp_part2.aarec 6768kb 816s(server change, mine crashed, hopefully with a useful recording)
f4_z_unk_vs_sgp_part1.aarec 31256kb 3204s

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