The Werewolf Game 5 - Worms win!

[bloods]

i am pretty sure titan is a worm but not 100% sure. I am for sure not a worm and i dont think freako is either. That leaves luck and over and both seem semi but not totally suspicuous

[LucK]

word you have all the pieces to the puzzle just put them together... You don't have to tell us who the scanner is just take yourself, the scanner, and the person you scanned last night out of the equation which leaves 3 pick one of the 3 and vote I will follow your vote. Just tell us who you scanned last night because the worms already know who the programs are.

[Word]

I will do this now, but I don't think you'll like that.

I know that freako is innocent. Having this said means that he or I will have to die soon, and that the scanner will have to die too (or that he survives and is still in contact with one of us ), either this or next round. The worms just have to pick one of us.

Now I'm just speculating but I'm quite sure that you, Luck have to be the 4th worm if Titan is the 3rd one - because of this edit, that happened when everything was decided already (compare the time stamps of the post that came afterwards):
http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtop ... 60#p262360
Later it became clear that I wasn't a worm and Luck just voted for the one I picked.

Maybe you have a good explanation for that but it seems strange and familiar to me at the same time (mind you, I did nearly the same when I voted for AI in the first round. I'm just guessing that you wanted to distract from the connection between you and Titan).


None of this however helps to find out whether bloods or Overrated have something to hide.
I'd kill Titan now, and then Luck.

Also, it seemed quite suspicious to me how Overrated and Titan advocated the worms' rights (in round 1 iirc). In Overrated's case that changed a bit when he helped killing Desolate, but he had no reason to let him alive because they weren't on the same team.
hm...maybe Luck AND Overrated?

Still, I'm sure that Titan is a worm because he demanded proof at a time when knew he couldn't get any.

[LucK]

Okay word look at this you, freako, the scanner, and myself are programs. That leaves either Titan, Over, and Bloods. Take out the scanner from those three and that leaves the 2 worms. retracted

Trust me like I trusted you word. Only you can tell us who the other worm is out of over and bloods. Scan me tonight if you don't believe me.

[Titanoboa]

You're being ridiculous, wanting to kill me (or anyone) in this situation. You'll find that I'm not a worm and that you lost the game.

I'm writing this and all future posts in this game on my phone, fyi. So they'll probably be short.

3 of you are voting to kill me at the moment, so I know that at least 1 of you aren't a worm.. Either way, it's moronic to kill at all today and I've honestly tried my best to explain why. If you still choose not to understand, well fine. Kill me. Game over.

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to me.

Also, Word, you misunderstood my (what you call) "demanding proof when I know you can't prove anything". I did that to make a point: we shouldn't blindly trust anyone like that because they could be lying.
Fyi we were in the same situation then as now: didn't have to kill, but couldn't afford to kill an innocent program.

Answer me this:
How does me questioning Word make me a worm just because he turned out to be right?
well, it doesn't. But if you're willing to lose the game because you think so, so be it.

Kill no one

[LucK]

Word you really need to tell us who was scanned last night that is the key because if you scanned INW last night we should not vote for anyone.

[Word]

if you don't trust anyone you can't win the game, same if you trust the wrong people. you can only win if you trust the right people at the right time. that's what this whole game is about. I know that I could be wrong. I picked you two because you're the most plausible choices from my point of view, not because there's proof. for me, the risk is worth it.

Answer me this:
How does me questioning Word make me a worm just because he turned out to be right?

It doesn't. But that's not what I said. I said I think you could be a worm because of your distrust that had no strategic value for us (because I thought it was pretty obvious that I knew Deso was a worm), but for the worms alone - not just because of your disagreement but the way you expressed it ("cheap tricks" etc. -> why would you call it cheap when you know as much as everyone else?). And now again, you're calling me ridiculous for suspecting you when you know you can't prove me wrong before you're dead and you also know that I can't know it better, even though I admit my suspicion is a guess, and possibly misleading.

[LucK]

If you would just tell me who you scanned last night I could trust you but you wont so I can't.

[Word]

If you would just tell me who you scanned last night I could trust you but you wont so I can't.

Well, d'uh. So it wasn't enough to take out Deso and Eckz to prove my innocence? If you are a worm you won't trust me anyhow. Why don't you just vote for Titan? If he isn't your partner why do you have a problem with killing him (and if you do this now after I've said it, I'd still think that you're the other worm)?

I won't make a farewell post if I die this night, I'll just wish you all good luck and please make the right decisions now.

[LucK]

titan hope ur right

[Titanoboa]

[Y]ou can only win if you trust the right people at the right time.

This. It wasn't the right time fmpov to trust you when you said "Desolate is a worm". Now, however, is the time to trust you because you've proven yourself. And we should follow your lead, and it's your responsibility to lead properly.

Guessing when you have the means to actually investigate players simply isn't to lead properly. Use the investigation and be sure instead. Please tell me I'm being sane and sensible here. I'm trying to.

[ElmosWorld]

Current Vote:

Titanoboa - 3
no one - 1

Still waiting on Overrated and freako

[Overrated]

Everything by what I've seen tells me Titan is a worm (he was one of my initial suspects), but I don't know if risking it based on a hunch rather than 100% confirmation that he is one. It's better to not kill anyone in case he isn't a worm, but it's also a rather certain feeling that he is one.

Conclusion: Titan is a worm, and I just don't know how he can say he isn't after supporting Deso for that long, especially given the circumstances. Word made himself to be a pretty clear scanner from day one. So, it seemed pretty clear we had three worms there, which is why I was confused on why the scanner investigated Eckz... But I digress.

Titan has to be a worm just based on that, and I honestly thought INW was the other one just based on how he was communicating and flipping around.

Word, you should out your innocent report before the day ends, because we'll need a clear for tomorrow to follow.

Right now, I'm thinking luck is a normal program based on his fluctuating opinions, just because of INW doing the same exact thing. Which means it's down to freako + bloods, and I feel one of them is the innocent report from the scanner, so whichever one ISN'T the clear is indeed the worm. I'll keep that on note for now.

[freako]

Voting for Over

[ElmosWorld]

At the end of day 5 it was determined Titanoboa, and odd worm, needed to go. It is now night 5.