Slick's 2v2 Loose Dogfight Tournament

[INW]

Also I like how slick rearranged the brackets so iD didn't have to vs ~R~ team(like it says they do) and we had to vs them instead & R vsing them next.

Can't not point this out.

I really can't believe you're talking about bracket rearranging...

[Slickster]

Also I like how slick rearranged the brackets so iD didn't have to vs ~R~ team(like it says they do) and we had to vs them instead & R vsing them next.

Can't not point this out.

I really can't believe you're talking about bracket rearranging...

Wait wtf? We played iD and beat them o.O

Redemption didn't show so you took their spots.

I'm confused are you mad?

That was not Noodz btw.

You can welcome our newest member to _~R~_ by saying gz on the tourney win. GZ Force!

Anyway, thanks to all who played, and thanks to liz and cody for filling in. You guys actually were pretty damn good, especially u liz.

Gms.


I was _~GuessWho~_ and Force was _~Who?~_

[Cody]

Also I like how slick rearranged the brackets so iD didn't have to vs ~R~ team(like it says they do) and we had to vs them instead & R vsing them next.

Can't not point this out.

I really can't believe you're talking about bracket rearranging...

Wait wtf? We played iD and beat them o.O

Redemption didn't show so you took their spots.

I'm confused are you mad?

That was not Noodz btw.

You can welcome our newest member to _~R~_ by saying gz on the tourney win. GZ Force!

Anyway, thanks to all who played, and thanks to liz and cody for filling in. You guys actually were pretty damn good, especially u liz.

Gms.


I was _~GuessWho~_ and Force was _~Who?~_

Oh thanks for telling us who force is, now i KNOW why we didn't win.

Also for the brackets, we vs VCL and then Vs ID Z3n & Rd Soul and they were using the iD team name and according to the bracket we should of vsed you guys IF you would of vsd iD...Kind of stranged how you got to vs them after? how come you and force didnt vs them first? My bracket rearranging is WAY different then what slick done here. Slick and Force didn't vs them first like the bracket says and waited to vs them after? The bracket looks ****** up.

p.s tell your new R member hes an idiot and he played favoritism and he purposely changed the outlook of the tournament, I don't want that trash in my tournament. hf force.

INW quick summary: me and liz filled in a spot to vs VCL. we won 2-0, then we VS ID Z3n & Rd soul who were using iD team name. Shouldn't we of been vsing ~R~ if they beat iD in the first round? Also during the first match vs iD ,FORCE(at the time ~Who~) was deducting points from me and liz right and left and not deducting the points for the other team when they did the exact same things we did. Also me and liz won a match if force said we didn't. Brackets don't make sense, if ~R~ beat iD why didnt me and liz vs ~R~ instead of these 2 ID z3n & rd soul using the iD team name. Good job slick your tournament and your referees are awesome! I still wanna know why me and liz were getting points deducted if the server config enforced loose df rules.

Also INW don't compare my seeding to this team that gets to skip to the semifinals, I randomize my contestants & then seed if necessary. Not that big of a deal, other then slick here, hop scotching to semifinals when they should of vsed me and liz if they did beat iD.

[F0RC3]

Hi cody, first of all i would like to say gj everyone. awesome matches. was fun.

honestly the wiki shouldn't say the rules are enforced by the settings because they weren't.

Cody i would also like to say i would have MUCH rather faced you and liz than soul and zenith. you and liz don't df and thus didn't know the rules. i gave you a brief explanation , don't touch walls, don't back door, don't line trap. Liz did a pretty good job of following those rules; however, you did not. I'ts completely understanding as to how you didn't follow the no touching rule as your a single binder. Making df traps while single binding are usually stab/dig a lot on walls. you did this many times cody and i deducted points each time you/liz/soul/zenith did so.

If i had been showing any sort of favoritism i would have stabbed all day against everyone and not deducted my own points regardless of what they said. or i would have demanded we go to the kansas server so me and slick would have less ping and our last two teams would have had more.

I also have an extreme dislike for soul(on a personal note to soul, i didn't bd you ******* idiot gtfo). i was literally being as fair as i could in my judgements, and the truth is you broke the rules of df, so when you got a kill from rule breaking it was deducted. The same thing happened to everyone else who killed someone via breaking a rule.

Also just a hint next time, before you show up on the day of a tourney and join maybe you should find out the rules of the game and how to play it first and not get all pissy when points are deducted.

The brackets are also indeed different from what slick posted, i believe compguy was nice enough to fix them into the format other tourneys use. while doing so he must have accidentally mixed up the teams.

Cody i think it was awesome you guys won against your first team for not playing df, but i was reffing completely fairly according to standard dog fight rules, sorry you lost buddy.

And if you don't want me in your tournements anymore then okay that sucks for me but its your decision if you want to exclude people from your tournements. not sure why you would

excludes someone for being a fair ref but w/e makes you feel good cody.

on a sidenote cody, liz was carrying you(gj liz)

[Cody]

Hi cody, first of all i would like to say gj everyone. awesome matches. was fun.

honestly the wiki shouldn't say the rules are enforced by the settings because they weren't.

Cody i would also like to say i would have MUCH rather faced you and liz than soul and zenith. you and liz don't df and thus didn't know the rules. i gave you a brief explanation , don't touch walls, don't back door, don't line trap. Liz did a pretty good job of following those rules; however, you did not. I'ts completely understanding as to how you didn't follow the no touching rule as your a single binder. Making df traps while single binding are usually stab/dig a lot on walls. you did this many times cody and i deducted points each time you/liz/soul/zenith did so.

If i had been showing any sort of favoritism i would have stabbed all day against everyone and not deducted my own points regardless of what they said. or i would have demanded we go to the kansas server so me and slick would have less ping and our last two teams would have had more.

I also have an extreme dislike for soul(on a personal note to soul, i didn't bd you ******* idiot gtfo). i was literally being as fair as i could in my judgements, and the truth is you broke the rules of df, so when you got a kill from rule breaking it was deducted. The same thing happened to everyone else who killed someone via breaking a rule.

Also just a hint next time, before you show up on the day of a tourney and join maybe you should find out the rules of the game and how to play it first and not get all pissy when points are deducted.

The brackets are also indeed different from what slick posted, i believe compguy was nice enough to fix them into the format other tourneys use. while doing so he must have accidentally mixed up the teams.

Cody i think it was awesome you guys won against your first team for not playing df, but i was reffing completely fairly according to standard dog fight rules, sorry you lost buddy.

And if you don't want me in your tournements anymore then okay that sucks for me but its your decision if you want to exclude people from your tournements. not sure why you would

excludes someone for being a fair ref but w/e makes you feel good cody.

on a sidenote cody, liz was carrying you(gj liz)

Thus is why DF has died. Too many unofficial rules, no touching walls blah blah line trap(wtf is that?) NC? Back dooring(which is smart cause you're not suppose to want to die) many other terms that were not enforced server side? the only thing that was enforced that i could tell was no stabbing or digging and we filled in for a team, we dont know how to play df.

You were not being a fair ref at all. Liz will even agree that you did a poor job of refin the first match. me and liz even made sure to count and i made like 5 legit kills and you went ahead and deducted them. "dont touch the walls" rule was dumb and defeats the actual purpose of tron game anyway. Anyways you did play favoritism! Rd soul BD & camp and you let him do this once or twice, I will admit you did smite him when he BD or camp(like once or twice) but when I did it, it was -1 off my score. Anyways not going to sit here and carry this on cause 1. this tournament was poorly organize(i.e the brackets and configs) 2. i was following rules of the wiki 3. you wouldn't even reveal yourself in the server, you weren't logged in, so you sitting there every 3mins chatting the score that you were unofficially keeping(you didnt even care about what the tron score was) was really pissy. Also to be honest, glad i played in this tournament, I now know one gamemode type I will never play, so thanks for showing me how useless this gamemode was.


Also force nice lie on trying to blame compguy on the bracket, i looked at the history of it, it was Rx vs pru , Vcl vs RD and ~R~ vs iD opening round. me and liz took place of RD, so how is it that you guys beat iD but yet we didnt face you guys next? we faced the team that used the name iD? sounds like you and slick did a hopscotch to the semfinals.....After doing further research it seems like there was an older bracket but it still doesnt explain on why slick said you guys beat iD when they were suppose to be vs vcl? Dont care. little tournament, no big deal.

[F0RC3]

Nc simply means no count cody, and of course i couldnt catch everything as i was watching four people by myself for the majority of the time, but i did everything i could to make it as fair as a game as possible. Also, df isn't really dead every time i get on there is usually a full server or two. it may not be as competitive as fortress sumo or ctf but it is no where near dead. not sure how liz counted your legit kills but w/e. also learn to double bind and up it will help you stab less.

Edit: didnt read your whole post, i was keeping score as accurately as possible and no i didn't care what the scoreboard said since i couldn't deduct points accordingly with slapping. so the best solution was to tell you instead. i gave you updates as often as i could in between fights.

[Kijutsu]

I don't mind having my points reduced when I "stab" or w/e because that's against the rules and even though the rules are stupid to me.. it wouldn't be dogfight without them. In the first match against ID though, I had some legit kills where I didn't touch the walls and they somehow died and you didn't count them. I'm not sure if you weren't paying attention but yeah we would've gotten that first match if the points were counted. Soul also backdoored and camped constantly, I was rubber trapped a few times and died to it without the other player getting nc'd.

Anyways I don't really care anymore, I had fun for the most part.

VCL got pooped on!

[Word]

We had some great, exciting matches with Rx. I got slapped a few times and didn't complain.

That changed in the finals. Perhaps my DF knowledge is very limited but it strikes me that I had 0 rubber used for most of the time and after I already got slapped every second round we somehow still reached 14-14 and then I killed Force and got slapped because I grinded the rim wall. He tried to backdoor (which is forbidden too I thought?) instead of just following me and died. I got slapped for rimming that wall. If I hadn't dug harder I'd have had to follow him, but the point is that I did nothing against the rules and there was more than enough room to survive a bit longer (mind you, he could still have followed me and died normally). But no, Force hits the rim and doesn't even attempt to grind - just so I can get slapped, I thought.

It got absurd when Slick did the exact same with Eggman I did with Force and didn't slap himself for that. And then,
after I commented that, we got admin-killed and Slick said he wants to 1v1 Eggman. Eggman was driving around and nobody knew what was going on so Slick just got some speed, said he's starting an 1v1 and killed Egg. I complained and he started it again, and killed him again. Yes, Eggman could have played better and killed Slick - it's just that I don't see the whole point of the 1v1 when he just could have counted or slapped both in the first place. That way he just got the point he needed.

The second match wasn't that different except that I didn't really expect any moderation change. We made our points and got slapped until it was 14-14 again (i'm not implying that you slapped us to reach the 14, I'm just saying that it was close!), and then one of us, I forgot who, died and they won.
Slick had to leave during the second match (because he didn't see anything). And while I was about to ask Force whether we should wait until he comes back and he just killed my bot and said "no". And when Slick came back I asked again if he thinks that was fair I got the same answer after he talked to Force about the points he just made.
That's the only incident I mention, because you seem to think it was normal or completely OK. When I'm playing a 1v2 I can make 2 points and lose only one, you can't do that when it's 2v2. I don't feel like being outnumbered is a disadvantage in LMS games. And if someone says it was, that's one more reason why there should have been a break.

What do I want to say with this? If you ever again host a dog fight tournament, you better slap someone for the things everyone could witness or get less biased referees. I recommend you use the admin access only when necessary, not to make the whole thing look predictable and rigged. Maybe you'd still win then, but it wouldn't look unfair.
I got the impression no team could have won this except R. If this would happen in a ladle that would be my last one.

Don't take that as anger, I just thought it should be said once. I don't know what I'd do if I was ref and playing at the same time.

[Soul]

The tournament was doomed when only two refs were participating in the tournament on the same team. Next one please have neutral admins.

As word said, it seemed as if every team that R faced was slapped or admin-killed at times when R was in trouble...

Im not bashing on either of you, it's just that it is stupid to have a tournament if it isn't going to be fair. It defeats the whole purpose of having one if the admins are just going to help themselves win.

Aside from that, everyone my team faced played well. Cody i don't think understood some of the rules, but who can blame him? At some points during the tournament, i apparently didn't either. Maybe next time have a few admins that aren't participating in the tournament who know the correct DF rules.

[compguygene]

Well, the settings do force a gap, even if you don't notice it. As to ref'ing, I have a fundamental problem with Slick, in the final match, ref'ing his own match.

As to the bracket mixuups: When I made a bracket for this, using a proper bracket template, I accidentally re-arranged the brackets, simple because I went straight down the list slick made and did not read correctly the rather confusing text that slick had on the wiki.

All that I am going to say is this. Next month, with help from a few others in the community, we are going to do this as a community tournament that will run monthly. As stated, I have a fundamental problem with Slick ref'ing his own match. As such, if slick decides to do this again, he can do so without my help with the wiki or any servers. It has been my intention to start a DF Tournament using the server settings this used for a while now.

As Cody stated, the problem with DF is the "rules" that are enforced in a variety of ways by different people. I firmly believe that you can't run a DF tournament with refs, period. Inevitably, people will feel cheated by the very subjective types of calls made. It was my understanding from the PM's I exchanged with Slick, that this tournament would be run via the server settings and not ref's. Obviously, a tournament like this w/o ref's would not be able to be called "Loose DF", since the community cannot accept the possibility of Loose DF w/o ref's and rules that cannot easily be fairly enforced. Given these things, I will not participate in any way in any future Loose DF tournament. However, this in no way prevents the formation of a DF Tournament, where the server settings and points are done w/o the influence of referees.

[Word]

Well, the settings do force a gap, even if you don't notice it.

So stabs were practically non-existent? lol

[Soul]

By the way comp, the setting "mind distance", or whatever it is, causes huge bugs.

[Cody]

Ya word, I already tested the server, no matter how much rubber you used to stab, there was still gap

[compguygene]

By the way comp, the setting "mind distance", or whatever it is, causes huge bugs.

What bugs, please elaborate. Setting the settings as I did has the effect that you cannot stab or dig, period.

[Slickster]

Cody i'm sorry u feel that way, u too word.

Just for the info Cody: Force HATES Soul and soul was on the other team that he was supposedly "favoring"

Yeah I trusted compguy that these settings would self-enforce but it didn't work honestly.

If we ever do another DF tourney it should be with refs, sorry about that.