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[milan]

since I'm late to the discussion and you've already addressed most things I'll just back sine (and poke) up, and add that there's more good than harm in raising the round limit, and there's definitely no harm in putting it on trial for a month (which is only one Sunday night in practice anyway).

And I'm not a fan of -2 for suicide, but I still think (and have thought for a long time now) that it'd be interesting (and more fair to all players) if the other team gained 2 points for your suicide instead.

+1

[sinewav]

Right, I don't think we need to get into a negative point scoring debate. Let's focus on one thing at a time. Fortress doesn't need sweeping changes.

Edit: How does the server choose between a suicide and team kill?

It has to do with wall influence, naturally. Every time you encounter a wall (driving within 6 meters by default), Arma remembers that interaction for a short period of time. If you die within that period the credit goes to the owner of the wall, yours or another's. For a detailed explanation, see settings.cfg and search for the "ENEMY_" family of settings. Or see the wiki.

Oh, and please, please don't get the idea we need to tweak them for Fortress. Stay focused on the topic at hand: Limit_Rounds.

[Desolate]

Suicides and team kills shouldn't count against your team's score or give the other team points.

The whole point of No-Point Hole is to die without giving points away or in this case, losing points.

If -2 points were to be awarded for suiciding, the era of No-Point Holing ends, abruptly.

FYI, I couldn't care more about that.

Edit: How does the server choose between a suicide and team kill?

Or people decide between giving +2 points to the other team or -2 points to theirs

[DDMJ]

Oh and I don't think the number it's raised to needs a huge discussion either. Probably 99 or 100 will do. If someone with crazy statistics knowledge wants to figure out the minimum possible rounds we can set it at, go ahead and knock your self out.

Technically, you would need an infinite amount of rounds in the impossibly rare scenario of everyone dying at the start of every round at the same time resulting in 0 core dumps, 0 zone captures, and no round winner.

[ElmosWorld]

Oh and I don't think the number it's raised to needs a huge discussion either. Probably 99 or 100 will do. If someone with crazy statistics knowledge wants to figure out the minimum possible rounds we can set it at, go ahead and knock your self out.

Technically, you would need an infinite amount of rounds in the impossibly rare scenario of everyone dying at the start of every round at the same time resulting in 0 core dumps, 0 zone captures, and no round winner.

Because that happens all the time...

[DDMJ]

I don't get your post?

I said that in mine..."impossibly rare"

I was just answering sine's post.

[sinewav]

Technically...

Yeah, I thought about that. How about we just come up with a cool number instead? I was thinking Limit_Rounds 2020 because, you know, he designed the original framework. Would be a cool tribute.

[PokeMaster]

awwww, not limit_rounds pokemaster?

[Thilo]

I just want to contribute and say yes I agree with everything you guys are talking about.

[dariv]

Oh and I don't think the number it's raised to needs a huge discussion either. Probably 99 or 100 will do. If someone with crazy statistics knowledge wants to figure out the minimum possible rounds we can set it at, go ahead and knock your self out.

Technically, you would need an infinite amount of rounds in the impossibly rare scenario of everyone dying at the start of every round at the same time resulting in 0 core dumps, 0 zone captures, and no round winner.

If this is impossible, the answer is 22 rounds. Worst case scenario is the first 5 rounds, the opponent gains a score of 98-0. They then try the suicide tactic and forfeit 6 points a round for 16 rounds until the score becomes 98-96. If you make the max_rounds 5+16+1 = 22, there will still be one deciding round, and the tactic will fail.

[syllabear]

Worst case scenario is the first 5 rounds, the opponent gains a score of 98-0.

How did you get that?

Its feasable for a team to take 6-7 rounds to get a score like that. And yes we are talking about stupidly hypothetical situations

[DDMJ]

I vote limit_rounds 2020. As sine mentioned, it would be a nice tribute.

[PokeMaster]

Yeah sure, 2020, I'm down.

[Cody]

What if we do what Titian did in SBT.

I notice when people only have one shot, they try 10x harder.

How about we remove the max score and just make the max rounds 25. Person with the highest Score at the end of the 25 rounds advances. I mean it could be less then best of 3 matches, Usually they go longer because a team goes 1-1 and this eliminates that. I mean go big or go home right?

I would def be up for the 1 shot to make it type of game. Thoughts? or should we try a test tournament of it first lol.

[Mkay1]

try a test tournament of it first