.iZm Clan!

Axel.iZm · Post by **Axel.iZm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:13 am

go check out the new elite rubber clan .iZm

izmclan.x.am

.iZm stands for a belief. "buddizm" "AthiZm" etc.

Post by **Lucifer** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:48 am

Do elite and rubber belong in the same sentence?

If you think they do, your clan should field a team for the Armagetron Fortress League.

http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/ ... ess_League

Axel.iZm · Post by **Axel.iZm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:00 am

this clan i dont think does fortress.. we can try theres no harm to that is there?

elite means fortress?

Post by **Lucifer** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:09 am

Heh, not necessarily. Elite means you better be prepared to get called out on the floor to prove yourselves.

Fortress just happens to be a really good way to do so.

Most of the AFL pages are still in draft phase, but you should be able to get a good gist of how its played. Just fair warning, since most of the people that play fortress don't think "rubber" is a gametype (because it is, in fact, a mechanism to deal with lag), so rubber tends to be a bit low.

If you're still interested after all that, please sign up.

Summer season will be free, starting in the fall we're wanting to collect a per-team fee to pay for trophies and other supporting expenses.

Axel.iZm · Post by **Axel.iZm** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:13 am

were elite rubber lol. well practice fortrss =) and try to enter tournry

Post by **Lucifer** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:32 am

Maybe you should find out more about rubber, because saying you're an elite rubber player is just like saying you're an elite frictional coefficient, or an elite addition, or an elite lever arm.

http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Rubber

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:54 am

Two words of warning:
New clans calling themselves "elite" often go down in flames within weeks.
Most iZms, especially the two listed, are rather philosophies or schools of thought or art. Atheists, especially, will summon the Invisible Pink Unicorn to impale you if you call Atheism a belief. The Impressionists will cut your ears off, and you don't want to know what the capitalists will do to you.

iDiot / sPuNkY · Post by **iDiot / sPuNkY** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:37 pm

here is an example of what is driving me nuts..

many player (mostly new ones) call the "deathmatch mode" rubber...
so all server that are not fortress, capture the flag, race or something like that are called rubber server...

it is called deathmatch, damnit

even server with a high rubber value are deathmatch server!!!

please get this..

wrtlprnft · Post by **wrtlprnft** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:20 pm

Strictly speaking it's called last man standing.
Deathmatch is with respawning

Post by **Lucifer** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:39 pm

I don't want to get too anal about names.

I was just thinking that with expression parsing and all we could very well come up with a function for rubber that gives the best value and is a function of distance from the wall, client ping, cycle velocity and acceleration, and works for most cases. Then we set CYCLE_RUBBER to default to this function.

Because that would serve the purpose of rubber, right? In a way, it would be like the ultimate culmination of what rubber was intended to be. But all these rubber players will come and scream bloody murder for that. Not that I'd let that stop me, or anything, but if we could get them to at least see that rubber's not a game mode, most of that backlash goes away.

DDMJ · Post by **DDMJ** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:13 am

.aZm is better

Org.aZm FTW!

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:44 am

Third advice: get used to people making fun of your clan.

We could make it so that the rubber mechanism mainly protects you against deaths by walls that jump into your face, that is new walls, and that the time a wall will count as new for these purposes depends on your ping. This would be a server enforced ping charity like thing. You could also get extra protection after lag slides (which the server can detect); problem there is that hacked clients can fake lag slides all of the time.

Post by **Lucifer** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:47 am

Hmmmm, seems like rubber is involved every time you approach a wall, so walls that jump in your face will behave differently than walls you saw a long ways off. The crucial bit is getting the 200-300ms timing just right when you reach a wall so you can accelerate after you turn, and whether it's protecting you from lag or not, rubber imo makes it possible to do that crucial bit.

Website · Post by **Z-Man** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:12 am

There's two aspects of rubber: First, it makes you not die when you would normally hit the wall. That's what I'm talking about here, I suggest making you not die when a wall lag-jumps into your face. How often walls jump into your path depends on your lag, so making this part lag-dependant would make sense.

The second aspect is the slowdown as you approach a wall, any wall. This part is independent of your latency and just makes it easier to time your grinds. This is definitely not a desired effect of rubber; gameplay wise, it's irrelevant. With or without rubber, the better timing will give you a closer grind or less risk of dying in the process. The alternative would be worse, though: rubber would not slow you down, you'd hit the wall and seal the passage immediately. I'm not talking about changing that part, it's a necessary evil.

Post by **Lucifer** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:27 am

This has some real possibilities.

So the first part, sure, what's wrong with that?

We could replace the second part with some sort of force field around the wall, call it something cool like "smeg repellent field" or even "inverse gravity field" or something. Or make up some electrical sounding explanation, like the cycles are positively charged and so are the walls. Anyway, the end result is that the slowdown can still be there, but turn it into a real slow down instead of an artificial one (configurable, of course).

Then add another reservoir of sorts, that goes from 0 to 1 and represents the likelihood that the wall will kick you away, causing a turn one axis opposite from the wall.

Then add something where if there's another wall, you wind up some equal distance between them, accelerating, like a particle accelerator.

Then all the rubber players will become smeg repellant players.