Where do you get this from? They don't need to deal with it at all.Word wrote:If you're interested in development you can still be here. Who says you can't?
And why should the developers deal with the competition trouble? Is there any reason they should? The forums don't need more moderation if the group with the most hotly debated topics finally starts to grow up and manage itself in a place just for them. That also means all the Ladle-related drama won't make the main forums look bad and cause actual developers to lose time. Ww's CTF tournaments went on for years without anyone posting about them here, and there were just a few people in charge. The ladle, I think, still has a much broader player base. And you're saying yourself that the devs were too detached from the active community, so why do you even have an interest that they deal with all this if you know the ladle better than they do?
I've never really paid attention to the 'Armagetron Add-Ons' subforum because it doesn't interest me that much. Likewise, developers (and anyone else for that matter) that don't want to deal with the competitions subforum can simply ignore it.
So relocating this supposedly problematic group of people will be better for the community? It sounds like you want to dump this problem elsewhere, after which you stick your head in the sand and tell yourself it'll be okay.Word wrote:The forums don't need more moderation if the group with the most hotly debated topics finally starts to grow up and manage itself in a place just for them.
If there's something systematically wrong with the competitions subforum and its people, then those problems should be dealt with head on. If the game and the community are truly what matters here, then the priority should be to create a sustainable environment where all those involved with Armagetron can come together, especially today.
Not a great point at all. Circumstances have changed significantly since then and the situation should be considered from its current position. And why did competition activity on the Wild West forum eventually die down and move to here, if it worked so well there?sinewav wrote:Great points Word. Lagtest.net was the hub for literally half the competitions in Arma. They had CTF and Sumo tournaments every month. The only thing the main forums were used for was Ladle, and even the TST, AFL, and other tournaments had stand-alone sites with individual logins for each. Never had a problem then, this shouldn't be a problem now.
You also mistakenly compare the forums with individual websites for tournaments, because even though you could sign up at these sites, they were never used as a central gathering place such as these. I have no problem signing up for a tournament on a wiki or on a separate website, but segregating the central place for competitions from the actual hub of Armagetron only seems detrimental to me.