@dinobro:First of all, yes they are, and I will get to the proof in a bit. Your raging posts claiming they aren't can be considered and insult since Americans wouldn't be different from any English. Your pretense will not succeed since you're arguing with a dictionary.
Second, did you read past the first paragraph on the webpage you linked?
Not only does the "simplified English" link reduce your credibility when you claim to even comprehend what I'm typing, but even down in the section labeled "related pages" there are at least 5 links I would point you to.
Also stop your hate. I get that you don't like me, but you can not like me in silence. There's no need for you to spread hate-filled propaganda in an attempt to besmirch me.
Frankly, I'm sorry that I cannot be concise enough for you.
Now about that definition of "race":
You do realize that you're trying to argue about the definition of "race" just so that you can say that I was wrong when I said you (people) were being "racist against Nazis"..?
Really, it doesn't matter what the definition is because you are treating people horribly simply for being something you have a personal problem with. That is a form of discrimination that is offensive in itself. It doesn't matter if "they deserve it" or not. It doesn't make it right. Whether or not you consider the people you are offending a "race", it doesn't make it right.
Now I'll indulge for a moment on the specifics of the definition(s) of "race".
F0RC3 quoting a dictionary wrote:a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.
The fact is, it doesn't matter if you interpret the commas as "and" or "or". F0RC3 was right. One example is Canadians (both English and French). Each share a history (for the most part), but they do not share the same culture or language. Check the definition again: a race is a group of people sharing the SAME of each. So yes, a change in either one would define it as a separate race. The term "race" is merely used as a method for us to categorize a group of similar people when we're talking about them.
see link (you don't need to read much farther than the first line; you can if you want though. The more you read the more you will understand on what "race" actually is)
@ppotter: The only reason why we're discussing Nazis is because I was questioning the lack of sufficient ruling regarding limitations to team names. And the fact that the team name in question is called "N4zi". Please do not buy into the propaganda attempting to besmirch me as I have said before that I do not condone offensive material and I have not stated that I am a Nazi (or not a Nazi). Much like the "sexism" thing, the perceptions of the readers aren't always capable of seeing the entire train of thought. Much of that conversation, and this one, has been instigated by others, questioning and challenging what I meant by "everyone should have the freedom to represent themselves how they want". They are merely antagonizing and any response I give could be perceived as something negative if you chose to do so.
That being said, I'm well aware what Nazis are and what Nazism is about (before, during, and after the war). I'm not saying that "you should all be more tolerant, so support Nazism!"...no. I'm just trying to make aware that "Nazis" are people too. No matter their beliefs or customs, shouldn't you still be able to enjoy an online game together without having to start a war?
And like you said yourself, it could just be someone that did it because they thought it'd be cool.
Really...it shouldn't matter. Even if they were full-blown Nazi and fully admitted to killing Jews IRL and even offered proof....you wouldn't be condoning his actions by allowing them to represent themselves as they are (or as they want). More importantly, would you prefer that they are forced to hide and pretend to be one of you?
People are people, no matter which group / race they belong to. If you support individual rights and freedoms, you must give them to all groups / races in order to keep from being a major hypocrite / racist (though technically if that's how you want to live your life then go for it. I'm not dictating how you should live your life).
Regardless of the negative perceptions you have, they are people.
Consider if you would ban the following team:
Name: Communists or Communism
Players: Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Enver Hoxha, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Nicolae Ceausescu, Kim Jong-il, Mengistu Haile Mariam, Jyoti Basu
Not only is this a different political view than what you might have (basically the reasons given so far to ban "N4zi"), but these people also have committed atrocities and crimes against humanity.
Does this make the names a problem? If it's such a problem, do you complain this much about your history books?
No one is going out of their way to to harm anyone else by trying to name their own team name something that they want to be called (regardless if it's just testing the limits). It's not like these "Nazis" are going out to kill all the Jews in Armagetron (though this could be interpreted as them going out to exterminate others IN-GAME, such that their clan is the "master race"..in which case it's kind of creative when you think about it)
@orion: just because people have made insults to an entire group of people (fasttrack players), it doesn't mean that they even wanted to be a part of any of these discussions. Most of that is actually discrimination (tron racism, you could call it). Just because we play on the same server, doesn't mean they share my views. But it also doesn't mean we have to be at each other's throats for it.
That being said, I suggest you don't perpetuate the stereotype, in case you end up offending some fasttrackers.
Also, your post is overall amusing
...I don't see it as a fight or something to win though. These are forums and I state my opinion. You can condemn me for having a different opinion than what you may have, but you can't punish me for it. We are free to discuss any differences in opinions, and they will either reach a resolution or an impasse. And sometimes people just have to agree to disagree. Remember this is a game after all. Have fun not hate (<--my overall point of view in this thread).
@takburger: Shame, I know I write a lot sometimes. Sorry, I'll try to keep this short.
I agree with what you said. Completely. People ARE here to have fun, and it DOES suck when there's hatred.
All this 'nonsense' is discussing is what the true issue is. My opinion is that it is the hatred that a lot of people carry within themselves for "Nazis" that cause people to even be appalled by the team name "N4zi" in the first place.
It shouldn't matter even if they are Nazis IRL, this is a game and we should all be able to play together no matter who we are. (tolerance; doesn't mean you approve of who they are and what they do. You merely tolerate that they are playing the same game that you are.)
@Johnathan, loved the video xD Not sure how it relates to grammar Nazis though. Still hilarious, I wonder how effective that is in reality. Funny stuff.
@Gonzap: I am not supporting Nazism in any way. Really it is just a relevant example because of the team name "Nazi". My point was to question how this was a bad thing given there wasn't a rule at the time.
Furthermore, if there IS a rule, it shouldn't be limited to "no Nazis allowed" while allowing other political views. Rather, it is more like an "all or nothing" deal.
You allow everyone to represent themselves as they want (seeing as how it's just a team name - this thread alone has mention much more detailed topics of Nazis and Nazism which itself is technically more "offensive" than any team name would be - it's just text on your screen.) OR you disallow certain names based on a set of universal conditions that doesn't favor any particular group.
That is, unless you support the idea of a bias justice system...? Don't be confused by what you read.
@Monkey: You make very valid points. I'd like to see what people have to say about "Team USA" and the genocide they are conveniently okay with.
