^ this is enough evidence to completely ignore the appeal. Admitting that you aren't sorry for your past transgressions and how you have no desire to make a serious appeal only shows how this entire topic is useless.Vogue wrote:1) it wouldn't make a difference 2) i'd be lyingTitanoboa wrote:but if you don't have the figurative balls to say you're sorry and actually ask for an appeal in a serious manner
Vogue get over yourself. Even if tron was in serious danger of dying out, you of all people couldn't save it. (the chauvinism of someone who was banned because they couldn't follow simple rules is probably the most patronizing aspect of your appeal; assuming we are to take it seriously. Its like a giant middle finger to everyone)Vogue wrote:i'm not sorry but once my ban is over i won't break any more rules for the simple fact that it's too much of a hassle to have everyone complain about it, assuming the game isn't completely dead by then
That being said, get your act together if you want the respect you delude yourself with. The fact is you were banned; fact is you're asking not to be; the FACT is, you need to change your attitude if you expect any results.
Y'know at first I probably would have supported the idea of shortening the ban (not that I have any real say in the matter), but now I'm leaning more towards something more permanent (forever banned).
I'll explain why in a bit.
If I had a team of my own, I would offer a probation idea. (it's not my team to offer that idea though)
One of which Vogue could be released into an existing team (in this case a fairly new team, the FTL aka KSI).
Anyway it's an idea...limited control of what Vogue would be able to do.
It's not simply a matter of "are they good at playing" and "do they follow the rules"....Snxpflash wrote:... As much as I and we all dislike(d) her lack of care for the rules... I care far more of her ability to make a team and generate interest to play in ladle. Like it or not, when all this bs started regarding her disciplinary repercussions and eventual ban.. is really (for me) when Ladle's downfall started to speed up. Like it or not people, allowing Vogue to play in Ladle again will have a positive affect on ladle, not a negative one. Maybe she isnt sorry for what she did but she obviously cares about ladle as much as we do.. she just has a really screwy way of showing it.
Clearly, from the posts, you can see the arrogance of her words.
It is the principle of the matter.
Think of it this way:
Should the ban be lifted (appeal approved), it would not only be saying that everything she did in the past was acceptable enough for it to continue, but you'd also be admitting to the community as a whole that game skill is more important than etiquette and good sportsmanship (I'm fairly certain that the reason for the ban in the first place was not skill related).
Would you let out a serial killer from prison? even if they "weren't sorry" and any attempts to clear their name were treated like a joke? Of course not. And it doesn't matter what the crime is, the principle of the matter remains the same.
(IMO) She's trying to see just how big of pushovers you (the community) are.
The easiest AND safest thing to do would be to do nothing. let the existing ban run its course.
While I'm usually up for giving people a second chance (redemption), I'm also anal about those who don't accept the responsibility of their own actions.
Vogue's attitude has forced my opinion to not care of any potential skill level or any potential growth in fortress (let's be honest, how long has vogue been playing fort, and the whole time its been growing??? I don't think so)
A lack of skilled players isn't what is killing tron; it's people who can't play nice and/or follow rules.
Yes, I agree that skilled players can fuel competition and give others something to strive to beat; but I wouldn't sacrifice that for a nice playing environment. I have seen first hand that a bad environment is what will leave a server (or entire game) with nothing left but trolls, modders, or nothing at all because even the cheaters got bored (no one left to annoy). However if people enjoyed the game, no matter how much they sucked at first, they would return; no doubt.
So snxpflah I completely disagree. The overall effect would definitely be negative IMO
/me better stop before he types more
Anyway, I think this thread originally had potential, then I read the first post.
Any potential remaining was whittled down with all the indecorous wisecracking.
I urge my fellow tronners to think hard about what this would mean overall.
And to give you an idea, I don't even know Vogue (haven't played her as far as I can tell).
Hopefully this "outsider" opinion can show something a little more objective.
All in all, let the ban be.
Let it be, let it be, oh let it be.