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I think it depends on something else entirely.compguygene wrote:I think that the likelihood of a re-vote even happening will depend on what happens in the interim.
sinewav wrote:I'm sorry to be the one to point this out, but this is a bad idea. I wanted to do this privately to avoid more heat on you and your team. I am assuming you are the leader of Serendipity and I won't have to contact Ampz too? Here is the deal: a Ladle ban means the player cannot participate in any capacity, it's not just being on the grid. That is why their IP is banned. They are not allowed in the servers. If you knowingly allow Liz to sit in a server and help your team as stated in your post this will most likely send you to trial and possibly Ampz as well.Gazelle wrote:Subject: Vogue Ban Discussion
As a matter of fact, we are in no place looking to start Liz, she was brought on to be a part of what we are doing here and she wanted to analyze ladle recordings and try to shot-call during ladles just like someone would do during a League of Legends match.
Surely your team will be under many eyes next Ladle. Let's try to reduce the drama in this game, shall we?
sinewav wrote:Banned is banned. What happens when you get banned from a server, Gaz? You can't go in there. There is a reason why her IP is on the banned list, because that's what a ban is. If we were just trying to keep her off the grid we would only shun Vogue by changing her GID access level to 16 (which is also done for sake of completeness).Gazelle wrote:However, she was banned from playing in the ladle, where does it state that she can not watch?
Look, I like Liz too. But our personal feelings about her are subordinate to that of the greater community. Decisions are made as a group and this is the reality.
If you continue to invite her into the game this will put a lot of heat on Serendipity. When the mob rages, no one is safe. It could easily escalate from putting you on trial, to Lowkey and the rest of the team too. Even if your teammates don't get banned they might not appreciate the negative attention.
It's pretty clear to see how this will play out, man. I just don't want to go through this again and again.
Just so you know, I'm contacting you because a few people were confused about what capacity Liz can be a part of Ladle and asked me about it. (I'm holding them off posting publicly) The answer is "no capacity." It is common to say "spec'ing" is not "playing" but that is not the what is intended with a Ladle ban. The intention is to remove the player from the game by blocking the IP.
If she uses a proxy to join, she will be evading again. Who knows, she may even get another 12 months on top of this one.
Lowkey wrote:SINCE you brought me up. Let's talk shall we.
Firstly, your judicial system setup here is shit you don't EVEN have an appeal process so let's calm down you have holes everywhere.
Secondly, what if I share my screen with Liz how are you gonna prevent that.
Thirdly, is this a threat? Why don't you just ban everyone? You just made a post about the decline but you sit there and make idle threats about possibly banning people especially people like me and gazelle who are some of the most active community members.
Fourthly, is this all really necessary what is the big deal with her watching ladel? And how do you intend to stop her from watching?
If some TEAM let's her play for them that's THEIR fault.
You are wrong about this. The ban is included in the authorities. The server owners comply by default.Gazelle wrote:...I realized that it was stated that the server owners could ban her. It does not state that they had to...
) However, she is allowed in a private TS server because those are outside of the scope of Ladle authorities, which only deal with Ladle servers. If you want to invite liz over to your place and let her look over your shoulder that is Ok. You can even stream a video feed of your client if you want. As long as she isn't in the server there are no problems.I guess it's somewhat of a grey area due to the word "participating. " Liz won't really be taking part in the ladle if she's just watching, but I think her being on a team and helping her team on teamspeak does mean that she is participating in ladle. There's probably a stronger argument to be made against her being allowed to spectate ladle than there would be for her. Due to this, a Global Moderator would still probably kick/ban her anyway.Ladle Wiki wrote:If a banned player is caught participating in Ladle, a Global Moderator should kick/ban them immediately.
Even if the server owners don't HAVE to ban her as Gazelle said, aren't they expected to keep their settings up-to-date? If they are keeping their settings up-to-date, then that would include Liz's IP ban. If a player is circumventing an IP ban, regardless of offense or reasoning for doing so, shouldn't they be kicked/banned again?sinewav wrote:There is a reason why her IP is on the banned list, because that's what a ban is. If we were just trying to keep her off the grid we would only shun Vogue by changing her GID access level to 16 (which is also done for sake of completeness).
Prema wrote:The second match starts, a new beginning,
Nanu and Prema, Sui and Ninja,
versus those same old hoes grinning.
When one can't argue well one attacks people.Nanu Nanu wrote: I'm not sure why people are referring to the rules of ladle as if they belong to sine like "your judicial system," (referring to sine) because sine isn't like the tyrannical dictator of ladle who controls and writes all the rules. Remember, this is a community.
