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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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breeze wrote:There are not enough public fortress games.
Pickup fortress games are competitive
Public fortress games are competitive.

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C — How public servers can be changed to address those issues
Limit specs; not much comes to mind here at the moment.
epsy wrote:Don't attempt to reply to the survey here, you will be able to do so after June 5th. Propose more questions and/or answers if you think of any.
I think you guys are doing great, though I'm not often around enough to tell you how good/bad of an impact the removal of pickup has been. I like the progress though.
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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Oops! Missed that part. Guess the cat's out of the bag. Snip that if you'd like. I'll think more and come back.

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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Can you edit your post so that it only suggests questions and/or answers? As Ratchet rightfully points out, we are only adding options to the survey at this point.

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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Questions to be put in the survey
A — Issues with the state of Armagetron Fortress and Team Sumo

State how much you agree/disagree with the following statements:
(Strongly agree/Somewhat agree/Neither agree nor disagree/Somewhat disagree/Strongly disagree)

People wait in sumo for fort game to start
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B — How pickup can be changed to address those issues

Restore statistics to make people try to have good stats
- sort teams automatically with elo / team elo
- sort region automatically by country majority
- make servers 0.2.8 to get less lag + (as teams are sorted, no need picking time), make /vote command START_NEW_MATCH something votable
- create a VIP league for players matching certain stats
- Get a closed system with applications / teaching for applicants
- VIP players have to teach / approve new applicants

Limit the number of games per day
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C — How public servers can be changed to address those issues
Note: This is hardly under my control

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I'm very happy epsy came and started a process like this... which I got bashed for asking at start. This is why I'm posting again.

FYI, the adds I just placed in the survey, are stuff I wanted to implement in a website + bot I started to make with theo, but we both have not much time to work on it. Also, I bet epsy and all still have gridstats source etc, it would be faster to use all this and adapt it.
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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Will pickup be unsuspended tomorrow? And if so, have we come to some kind of agreement? The survey is just information based, Would stuff from the survey be implemented into pickup tomorrow?
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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Yes, it will be. Any agreement will have to show up in the survey results. Some decision made from the survey may require (significant, for some) time in order to be implemented.

If anyone has anything to add to the survey questions or clarify them, now is the time.

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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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Gridstats would be ideal. I know almost nothing about coding, but I'm assuming this is a significant endeavor. I think this would bring up the competitive aspect a lot though.

!score would be a nice command that would return the current score of a particular game or all games. It'd be nice to know the score of a game without going into the server.

Anyway, thanks for your continued hosting and interest in improving pickup. :)

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Re: Pickup will be suspended from May 22nd to June 5th

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The survey is live, please answer it! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/19nymGE ... w/viewform (http://bit.ly/1hDsnAq for short)

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Re: Pickup survey is up! (Was: Pickup suspended May-June 201

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Survey results are up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... uNGc#gid=0 (Switch sheets at the bottom for synthesized data.)

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Re: Pickup survey is up! (Was: Pickup suspended May-June 201

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epsy wrote:Survey results are up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... uNGc#gid=0 (Switch sheets at the bottom for synthesized data.)
Wow, super job, very interesting. Thanks.
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So what happens next? I sense that in the anticipation of a reworked pickup, people have stopped playing pickup and public fortress. This has meant that there's been very low levels of fortress activity in the last week or two

(Summer + WC probably have something to do with this as well)

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ogo wrote:So what happens next? I sense that in the anticipation of a reworked pickup, people have stopped playing pickup and public fortress. This has meant that there's been very low levels of fortress activity in the last week or two

(Summer + WC probably have something to do with this as well)
if you're truly concerned about it, why not take matters into your own hands instead of relying on someone who doesn't even play the game
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Re: Pickup survey results are up!

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We all have different skillsets, and mine certainly cannot contribute anything to pickup 2.0's implementation. But thanks nonetheless

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Re: Pickup survey results are up!

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You always can learn. But I'm not gonna argue coz I'm not helping either.

The implementation will take a lot of time and I encourage all the people who can write some code lines to propose help. :)
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