Ladle 24 Voting Discussion

[pike]

LIMIT_TIME n, so matches do not exceed their allotted timeframe.
Ladle spread over more than one day
Finals best of 3 (not 5)
Bouts are best of 1 match with limit_score n (200 perhaps)

Good ideas. Maybe vote on it by giving rates from 1-4, not just yes/no?


What if one team refuses to play Ladle final (because it's too late, some players left, etc.)?
I think we should (discuss and) vote on possible solutions.

[Luiso]

TIME_LIMIT no!
The ladle should start before or be in 2 days

[DDMJ]

This Ladle was a long one indeed. CTa played for 4 hours (18:45 GMT --> 22:45 GMT) and TX1 played for 4 hours and 45 minutes (18:00 GMT --> 22:45 GMT).

If it's too late, move it earlier! Anyways, as 2020 pointed out, let's stop discussing the pros and cons here. Let's just say that the time coordination needs to be voted on.

[epsy]

Why don't we move the ladle a day back?

[sinewav]

I think most of the reasonable "time related" options have been presented. Let's try to find a way to organize it so it's easy to vote on. Some of these are conditional, such as, we can't decide on which days to play the Ladle unless splitting it up has been decided. It would be best if each option was "either/or", but some of these could have 3-4 choices. And since some of these are brand new ideas it might be hard to resolve a tie, although I think it's unlikely to happen.

All meets are one match to 200 points ... ( yes / no )
Number of matches in Finals ... ( best of 3 / best of 5 )
Ladle should be Saturday instead of Sunday ... ( yes / no )
Should the Ladle start earlier? ... ( yes / no )
If Ladle starts earlier, how much? ... ( 30 min / 45min / 1 hour )
Use LIMIT_TIME to stop matches from running late? ... ( yes / no )
If LIMIT_TIME, then how many minutes? ... ( 10 / 12 / 15)
Ladle should be one day or two? ... ( one / two )
If Lade is two days, then which? ... ( Sat-Sun / consecutive Sundays )

How is this format? Am I missing anything? Can it be said better? I looks intimidating, but we need to sort this out some how.

[Joe]

All meets are one match to 200 points ... ( yes / no )
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What is this supposed to mean? that each match is to 200 points? or there is only one match to 200 points? and the final is a normal best of 3 or 5 with matches to 100 points?

[MaZuffeR]

If LIMIT_TIME, then how many minutes? ... ( 10 / 12 / 15)

I know you probably just have used 10/12/15 as an example, but I think the options should be more like 13/15/17. I know that 3*17=51, but it's not that common that all three matches are that even, usually at least one ends faster.

Also, I don't think there should ever be a time limit in the finals.

We could also consider playing only one match with a time limit but no score limit.

[sinewav]

What is this supposed to mean?

I guess this is another of those conditional ones. If all the meets are one 200 pt. match, then there would be no need for a the finals to be "best of" anything.

...but I think the options should be more like 13/15/17 ...We could also consider playing only one match with a time limit but no score limit.

Hmm, hadn't thought about that "no score limit" idea. We'll have to add it.

And about the numbers for LIMIT_TIME; I guess if we consider consider the current time allocated per meet (45 minutes), and we subtract 5 minutes to change servers (and visit the restroom) ...

40/3= ~13

You're right. Some matches won't take that long to finish. And we don't want a match to be shortened unnecessarily, especially if another match ended early. This is just to stop a meet from running too much longer than the alloted time of 45 minutes. So I would say 13/15/17 sounds perfect.

[epsy]

I see some matches finishing in 3 rounds.

[1200]

Although i don't like the idea of shortening the matches. If were are going to do it i'd rather see each match cut down rather than doing a one match for 200 pts. Say like best of 8 rounds & upto 80 pts etc...

[2020]

there's something dramatic in breaking things into parts
halfs in football and rugby
quarters is it in basketball?

oh
and i posted this earlier in the year
http://playfortress.wordpress.com/2009/ ... e-timings/
means games start on the hour
and max of three in any evening
(the number 8 pops up again rather suggestively...)

[pike]

I thought that everything before quarterfinals would be played in 1 match to 200pts (it should take approx. 30 mins) and from quarters it'd stay as it is now (qf and sf first to 2, finals first to 3).

We can always put every idea to vote and see if the results don;t deny themselves

[Mkay1]

I thought that everything before quarterfinals would be played in 1 match to 200pts (it should take approx. 30 mins) and from quarters it'd stay as it is now (qf and sf first to 2, finals first to 3).

That idea is ok... but what about the glorious comeback...

[sinewav]

there's something dramatic in breaking things into parts

Yeah, I remember us having a discussion like that on the most recent league play thread. And after reading "alternative timings," I think a lot of that comfortably falls under the category "Ladle should be one day or two" (an extended competition). If we decide to split it up, then that article is something we should look at more closely later.

If the Ladle continues to grow, eventually we'll have to make major changes to the way the tournament is set up. But I think we can achieve this using these quarterly votes; these smaller (but no less important) transitional changes.

[2020]

sine:
it is wise that we undergo all the changes now
to prevent certain problems from arising in the future
otherwise we will be in problem-solving territory with way more people...
so
please design with as much a future-proof solution now
and if you have any cards up your sleeve
then pull them out --
what major revision are you thinking of?