Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Something wrong with it? Got an idea for it? Post here.

Moderator: Lucifer

Word
Reverse Adjust Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 4196
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Word »

I'm asking this because i want to know what clans we can remove/add to the wiki. I think some clans aren't worth mentioning and they simply don't belong on the list.
(i'd say the same applies for teams, except that they don't need one specific player who is the leading authority).
Here are possible criteria. Let me know if i've let something out that is important.
  • it just needs a founder/leader/admin, not members (1337) - Yes/No
  • 2 members (e.g. Naked Hippies) - Yes/No
  • 4 members (classic ctf squad) - Yes/No
  • 6-8 members (fort team) - Yes/No
  • It has (had) more than 8 members - Yes/No
  • it takes part in tournaments/wars with more than 2 players per team - Yes/No
  • it doesn't have to take part in anything to be a clan - Yes/No
  • it hosts servers (NoNerdsJustGeeks) - Yes/No
  • it hosts tournaments - Yes/No
  • their forums have a short url - Yes/No
  • its players play usually in those servers that are used for wars (sumo/fort/ctf/hr/df etc) - Yes/No
  • its tags are original - it's not some short-lasting revival (NW, pNd) - Yes/No
  • a clan with more than 50 active players isn't really a clan anymore but an own community, isn't it? (there wasn't one yet i think...maybe SP is getting there :P ) - Yes/No
edit: damn, i forgot to register http://www.clanornot.com :lol:

User avatar
INW
Reverse Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 1950
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:10 pm
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by INW »

So we will be like Tr2n and make certain guidelines for clans?

I don't like that idea as far as this:
You have just met a friend online and found out about this game. You are so excited and start a clan inviting 1 more friend! Your tron dream has come true!
But WAIT! Armagetron Advanced says it can't be a clan because of some certain guidelines. The small group then ragequit, delete tron, sue Z-Man, and then kill themselves upon the pressure during court.

I don't think this is a fair.


P.S. Maybe I misread something?

EDIT: ohhhhhhhhhhhh, I am suppose to answer the questions.
Word wrote:
  • it just needs a founder/leader/admin, not members (1337) - No
  • 2 members (e.g. Naked Hippies) - Yes
  • 4 members (classic ctf squad) - Yes
  • 6-8 members (fort team) - Yes
  • It has (had) more than 8 members - No
  • it takes part in tournaments/wars with more than 2 players per team - No
  • it doesn't have to take part in anything to be a clan - Yes
  • it hosts servers (NoNerdsJustGeeks) - No
  • it hosts tournaments - No
  • their forums have a short url - No
  • its players play usually in those servers that are used for wars (sumo/fort/ctf/hr/df etc) - No
  • its tags are original - it's not some short-lasting revival (NW, pNd) - No
  • a clan with more than 50 active players isn't really a clan anymore but an own community, isn't it? (there wasn't one yet i think...maybe SP is getting there :P ) - No
Last edited by INW on Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:57 am, edited 1 time in total.

LucK
Shutout Match Winner
Posts: 861
Joined: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:04 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by LucK »

* it just needs a founder/leader/admin, not members (1337) - No
* 2 members (e.g. Naked Hippies) - No
* 4 members (classic ctf squad) - Yes
* 6-8 members (fort team) - Yes
* It has (had) more than 8 members - Yes
* it takes part in tournaments/wars with more than 2 players per team - Yes
* it doesn't have to take part in anything to be a clan - No
* it hosts servers (NoNerdsJustGeeks) - No
* it hosts tournaments - No
* their forums have a short url - No
* its players play usually in those servers that are used for wars (sumo/fort/ctf/hr/df etc) - No
* its tags are original - it's not some short-lasting revival (NW, pNd) - No
* a clan with more than 50 active players isn't really a clan anymore but an own community, isn't it? (there wasn't one yet i think...maybe SP is getting there :P ) - Yes

Concord
Reverse Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 1661
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:24 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Concord »

as long as it's registered at the Official Armagetron Clan Registration Office, it's a clan.

User avatar
kyle
Reverse Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 1867
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:33 pm
Location: Indiana, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe, Multiverse
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by kyle »

If anything, just have different classifications (like planets now have) as in planet and dwarf planets(pluto and the 10th hunk of rock orbiting our sun)

[offtopic] I wish we knew more about the 10th hunk of rock orbiting our sun so i can make it into a map to get it's revenge :) [/offtopic]
Image

Word
Reverse Adjust Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 4196
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Word »

INW wrote:So we will be like Tr2n and make certain guidelines for clans?
...
P.S. Maybe I misread something?
This vote is public. You can see it as some sort of legitimation for everyone that edits the list and removes a clan. These aren't guidelines for making a clan (i wrote another article about that, heh), it's about criteria for the clans list so it a) doesn't become a mess and b) anyone who is trying to keep it in order knows what to do. You can still complain if i remove Oracle, for example. ;)
kyle wrote:If anything, just have different classifications
I can't think of any one-person clan that would add itself to "small clans". And we would still need criteria for these classifications.

User avatar
sinewav
Graphic Artist
Posts: 6334
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:37 am
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by sinewav »

kyle wrote:[offtopic] I wish we knew more about the 10th hunk of rock orbiting our sun so i can make it into a map to get it's revenge :) [/offtopic]
:P This thread is now about the Solar System!

What do you mean 10th? You mean Ceres? Between Mars and Jupiter? Or one of those "other" trans-Neptunian objects: Eris, Makemake and Haumea. Also, I prefer the term "minor planet". Referring to the planets as minor and major seems to make my Pluto-loving friend a little less hostile to me when we talk about space stuff. Saying dwarf-planet sounds derogatory to him (I think it sounds a little awkward myself).

Anyone see those cool photos of Hartley 2 "Deep Impact" took?

User avatar
Slov
Shutout Match Winner
Posts: 934
Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 12:32 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Slov »

I say it's a clan aslong as you can apply for them :P
btw SP has 14 members so you'll have to wait a bit more :D
.pG (only like, the best clan ever)

my mixtape fire tho

User avatar
Phytotron
Formerly Oscilloscope
Posts: 5041
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:06 pm
Location: A site or situation, especially considered in regard to its surroundings.
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Phytotron »

It's a clan if some dumb kid(s) say it is. Period. There's nothing official about that silliness.
it's about criteria for the clans list so it a) doesn't become a mess and b) anyone who is trying to keep it in order knows what to do.
Easy. Dissolve all clans and/or don't cover them on the wiki at all. Mess solved.

sinewav wrote:Anyone see those cool photos of Hartley 2 "Deep Impact" took?
I did! Bet you can guess where. Turns out comets are made of huge grayscale pixels! Who knew?! :D

User avatar
Z-Man
God & Project Admin
Posts: 11426
Joined: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:01 pm
Location: Cologne
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Z-Man »

It's a clan if it payed me the 100$ clan registration fee. /thread

Why does this question need answering? Clans don't get any special rights.

Word
Reverse Adjust Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 4196
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Word »

Z-Man wrote:Why does this question need answering?
To prevent edit wars and to do justice to the clans list's accuracy so it's not getting spammed. what would you say if someone adds random rules to the ladle guidelines?

if there aren't any clear rules we can agree on, sooner or later someone will say that these decisions are at the mercy of our arbitrariness. If we do agree on rules, they will say that some clans claim to have special rights.

I should probably just have added some rules without posting this - with the same result. :P
Phytotron wrote:It's a clan if some dumb kid(s) say it is. Period. There's nothing official about that silliness.
...
Easy. Dissolve all clans and/or don't cover them on the wiki at all. Mess solved.
Great, you can also get rid of all these evolutionary failures so you don't need to worry about this list anymore. :)
It doesn't matter if you like clans or not, they are there and players who are interested in them should be able to inform themselves without getting distracted. Its purpose is to equip the reader with knowledge (whether it's now unnecessary or not is unimportant...).
The clans list is one of the pages that are changed about 15 times a week (like the Ladle's Challenge Board), that alone should be reason enough to think about some regulations.
I know it's not a big deal (even if it seems like that because my initial post is long). If you take a look at the version history of the article you can see that the average number of changes per week has increased a lot.
Last edited by Word on Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:12 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
kyle
Reverse Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 1867
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:33 pm
Location: Indiana, USA, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Universe, Multiverse
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by kyle »

sinewav wrote:This thread is now about the Solar System!
I knew i was not off topic :)
sinewav wrote:What do you mean 10th?
Eris is what i was referring to.
sinewav wrote:Anyone see those cool photos of Hartley 2 "Deep Impact" took?
Watched them coming in live to nasa, as i did when Deep impact went to commit temple 2. pretty spectacular images.
Image

User avatar
Slov
Shutout Match Winner
Posts: 934
Joined: Sun May 10, 2009 12:32 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Slov »

You do realise that if you keep this-ing with these from that site in it, you don't look any this-er _ :roll:
.pG (only like, the best clan ever)

my mixtape fire tho

Word
Reverse Adjust Outside Corner Grinder
Posts: 4196
Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 6:13 pm

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by Word »

Yeah slov, I wrote this to look cool :roll:
Is there anything halfway meaningful you can add?

User avatar
sinewav
Graphic Artist
Posts: 6334
Joined: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:37 am
Contact:

Re: Vote - when is a clan a clan?

Post by sinewav »

I think Word's use of hyper-linking is totally appropriate and cool.

Post Reply