Whats ping charity

Zapple · Post by **Zapple** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:21 pm

What is it?

klax · Post by **klax** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:41 pm

Directly extracted from /doc/network.html

Ping Charity

Ping charity can be configured along with your network bandwidth and other settings in the "Network Setup" submenu in the "Network Game" menu.

It is the configurable part of the "equal ping" technology. In short, if you have low ping and your opponent has high ping (ping: the time it takes a message to travel from your computer to the server and back, usually measured in milliseconds), you can take over some of his ping to make the situation more equal. So, if you have ping 60, your opponent has ping 160 and you set the ping charity to at least 50 (more does not change the situation), you will take over 50 ms of his ping, giving you both ping 110. If you set your ping charity to 20, you will end up with ping 80, your opponent with ping 140. Of course, you may be greedy and set ping charity to zero, but I suggest leaving it at the default value 100.

How does that "equal ping" thing work? It is not that complicated, but for now, I rather keep the secret buried in the source code (too lazy to explain it right now...).

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:39 am

one of the worse features added to the program
good in theory but bad in practice

example:

some lamer sets his modem init string for 9.6k starts downloading a big file then enters the game

his ping jumps randomly from 400-10000 and ping charity shares his random ****** up ping with the rest of us

resulting in everyones game completely ruined

maybe the devel team could remove ping charity

nicolas.b · Post by **nicolas.b** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:47 am

maybe simply lock out people with a ping above X. and let the server admin specify X. let's face it- the game's pretty meaningless when your ping is above a certain point.

send a message saying:
"sorry
{explanation of ping importance}
{suggestions for lowering ping}"

Zapple · Post by **Zapple** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:44 pm

ok thanks guys

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:05 pm

ive also thought that the servers should autokick high pings
its a good idea

but i really would like to see ping charity scrapped
some players have unstable pings, ive seen pings jumping randomly from 120-500 and i dont see why we all should suffer for their dodgy connection

klax · Post by **klax** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:14 pm

People, don't u think that if it's enabled there must be a good reason?

If I understood it right it's there because of the imbalance of the pings. Being disabled, people with low pings will have a huge advantadge against people with high pings. This way you have to eat some of others high ping, lowering the imbalance.

I think Z-Man did a great job with the network code: heavily based in Quake 1 and borrowing client side prediction from Quake 2 I suppose.

iceman: You have to think that we don't contract pings. For example here in Spain most companies offering dsl connections don't apply fast path (and I don't have access to cable), giving us really bad pings and with a lot of variance. Today in Faramir's server I was getting pings of 160-250 bouncing all the time! Be a little more comprehensive with us living in a 3rd technology world

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:10 pm

well i think thats how it should be

low ping = advantage
high ping = disadvantage
random ping = your screwed but at least no one else is effected

Zapple · Post by **Zapple** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:39 pm

iceman wrote:, ive seen pings jumping randomly from 120-500 and i dont see why we all should suffer for their dodgy connection

Maybe its because of your "R" trick that you showed all of us that makes your ping jump. lol

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:26 pm

Maybe its because of your "R" trick that you showed all of us that makes your ping jump. lol

you took that joke about rubber hack seriously ?

the server controls everything, any settings you try to hack would be local only and have no effect online (like that drive through walls hack that i used to have on my website)

Zapple · Post by **Zapple** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:23 am

No, I didnt belive you, I just wanted to shoove it in your face! lol jk.

I like to "phase" through walls on local games just for fun, it takes up the time, I only did it once on an internet game. Its hard.

:Brad · Post by **:Brad** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:15 am

[quote=" Be a little more comprehensive with us living in a 3rd technology world

[/quote]

Compassionate is what i think you mean.

Yea, think of us Australians stuck with 200ms delay over the pacific ocean.

the fastest ping i ever manage is 250ms to eggcozy's server.

Nice job egg on that server

iceman · Post by **iceman** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:33 pm

i wish i could get 200ms, mine is anywhere between 260-500

uk isps suck

subby · Post by **subby** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 1:56 pm

Brad wrote: Compassionate is what i think you mean.

Yea, think of us Australians stuck with 200ms delay over the pacific ocean.

the fastest ping i ever manage is 250ms to eggcozy's server.

Nice job egg on that server

yes i want egg's server back (and/or armagoshdarn)

europe is a minimum of 400 for me.... tigers network is ~450 to 500

Zapple · Post by **Zapple** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 6:12 pm

what was egg's server called?