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@Word:
This is so wrong. The moderators will post off topic posts to start a rumor about a user as a means of avoiding a discussion about their abuse. Frankly, that should qualify as spam. Also, I never harassed anyone with PMs. I suggest you stop spreading rumors yourself since it won't end well. Lastly, no threat was made, and any talk of "hacking" is irrevent even if a threat was made. Certainly no risk to your passwords was implied by what I said - the risk already exists. It doesn't exist because of me, and it was made publicly aware by Z-Man. So HE is the person that deliberately risked your passwords. That's not a threat, it's already done.Word wrote:The moderators don't spam the forums with their crap and don't harass people with PMs, and they don't threaten to hack them/risk our passwords as they want.
I never claimed that it didn't need to be moderated (frankly I didn't see the original post, why would I claim that?). You say I reacted in a dumb way as if it would have been to the edit (action) and not the edit reason. I made myself clear in this thread, and I don't appreciate your perpetuating your ignorance. The recurring problem is Lucifer's abuse of his status, plain and simple. There was no reason for the edit mentioned, all that was left was abuse. Regardless if the post needed to be moderated or not, what Lucifer did (and his habit of doing so) is the topic of discussion; the recurring problem. You're the only person reacting in a dumb way because of this; how can you persistently have the wrong idea unless you're trying to be ignorant? Besides, let's (for the sake of argument) take all that back as assume you're right that I reacted in a dumb way...that does NOT reinforce the things said about me that are unrelated to the actual edit itself. You can't use that to validate your assumptions; both because you're wrong in the first place, and because you wouldn't be right even with correct information. You can't validate something unrelated like that.Word wrote:Lucifer edited a post that needed to be moderated and predicted that Durf would react in a dumb way, which Durf did, thereby reinforcing what was said about him.
Actually it exists in the real world (away from your computer). When I call you something, it's because you're being that. If you have a problem with the vulgarity of my words, you should try to be more respectful, and I will use better language for you personally. Since you make no effort towards civility, why should I? The fact of the matter is that you started disrespecting when you think something like an ordinary word is an insult. The fact remains that everything I've ever said about anyone can be proven with facts. It has nothing to do with a "bubble" around anyone's head. It has to do with reality. You're the one who's too stubborn to accept reality. But taking it out on me isn't going to change it for you.Word wrote: call people names all the time and accuse people of ridiculous stuff that only makes sense in the bubble around his head
It (in itself) doesn't diminish your arguments; not at all. Though you're a sheep when you only listen to your friend - which DOES diminish EVERY argument you make because you make your motivation known to everyone.Word wrote:Besides, how does the fact that one of these players and I happen to like one another diminish a single argument against whatever Durf claims? But we already had this, you're just suspecting a conspiracy like Durf does.
Conspiracy? Hacking? Hero?! These words were brought up by other people, not me. It's not my problem what imaginations people have, or if they settle for a wrong answer.. But like ConVicT said, "now that you mention it..", unreasonable moderators abusing users, sheep blindly supporting in numbers, no facts discussed, and no chance for an actual discussion on the matter before everyone wants to take action against me....hmmm...it's still a conspiracy even if not all of the participants are AWARE of it. Frankly, it could only be Z-Man with his sheep who truly knows what's going on, because afaik he hasn't shared the entire history with you guys. He "cherry picked" for a reason.
@ConVicT: You noticed it too eh? They are getting pathetic to having to resort to such measures... Just goes to show that there is no basis in reality there; they only hope that we'll accept what they say if it sounds like it's right. >_>
Plus, it's more than just a couple things at this point. It's a long list of things that I could easily go over their heads with. They have no idea just how deep a grave they dug themselves.
The gun analogy:
I'd say that the first unjust ban was like a punch to the face or a shot in my direction (a form of assault - since there was no dispute, no apology, just abuse).
So I'd say that I basically told Z-Man not to do that again or I will do what is necessary to stop it (which is more about unbanning myself than to ban/demote Z-man) which can be like a shot in his direction (a form of assault in itself, but in context not one you can take to court).
Your summary was pretty good, though I think there's probably a better analogy out there.
If hacking = breaking & entering, then making use of an exploit = going in an open window / unlocked door. Which is more specific to what I actually said, and not some imaginary "threat" (bad action like going after passwords).
@dinobro:
Actually, yes. That is specifically why they are sheep, stupid. Anyone who just buys into what Z-Man says without reading what I have to say about the same thing is nothing but his sheep. If they have their own mind, then they should at least be curious and try to see what I have to say; especially since I'm saying that you all have it wrong and I can show you how.Strangely convenient all "sheep" are against durf, aye?
Very profound. Much credibility. (<--sarcasm) Seriously did you even try with that sentence or did you just want to say "Durf is wrong". That sentence is meaningless since you don't even support it; it's just your opinion (and you've given us a pretty good idea over the past few months just what that is worth).Look, in this case Durf would even make some sense if not for the fact that his whole premise is flawed.
I actually don't. Nor would I care even if there was a conspiracy - it wouldn't make what I say about the moderators incorrect. Even then, what do you gain by spreading the rumor that I think there's a conspiracy? Who cares about that? If I thought there was a conspiracy and there wasn't, then I will soon find out either way and learn differently...like honestly wtf. Why would I waste my time with such nonsensical thinking.He thinks there is some conspiracy of mods against him....
Then you create another masterpiece (sarcasm) with this:
Besides your entire reasoning for this sentence being incorrect (lol), even if it was correct, it doesn't support the claim that I'm just incredibly stupid and it has nothing to do with my "retaliation promise". Jumping to conclusions such as suggesting to permaban without hearing both sides only serves to show your own inability to think rationally.therefore everything he says is just incredibly stupid and his retaliation promise is Solid ground to permaban as this person is unable to think rationally.
Is this supposed to be a form of comedy? When you contradict yourself and become the biggest hypocrite you can be? Because, this isn't funny; but ignorance to this extent (I thought) didn't occur naturally. In short, are you serious right now?
And this:
Supporting me is not synonymous with fueling drama - unless the moderators are purposely pressuring people to agree with them. I've already mentioned, and proven, how Z-Man causes drama in the public simply as a means of getting people pissed off at me (like as if it was my fault to begin with). You could say it's quite the curious coincidence that Z-Man can never actually finish any topic he starts. In the end, all he can do is bitch about things.Somehow, I don't see you mentioning Amaso, a known troll whose only purpose on this forum is troll even more and fuel the drama. Guess what? He supports Durf as mentioned in this thread. Coincidence?
This needs to be said to Z-Man, Word, and yourself: "You took your side and mindlessly throw irrelevant arguments just to support your weak points. If you want to call anyone a sheep, I would advise to start from yourself."
If you're going to get involved, the least you could do is put in some effort - that was just pitiful.
@Overrated: What a horrific thing to say... Imagine if a rumor was started about you and no one cared to listen to the truth. They could just poll their opinions not based in facts and get you punished for something you didn't do. What a terrible suggestion. You should never give possibility of doing the wrong thing like that. No amount of opinions and hurt feelings will change what is fact.
Here's a basic run-down of the pattern:I think the fact this is still dragging on is ridiculous.
1) the CAUSE (either mod abuse or some other problem being discussed, brought up directly to mods).
2) Z-Man engaging in a bit of discussion but eventually will avoid it either by locking the topic, outright refusing and even disallowing me to discuss it further, changing the topic and/or bringing up irrelevant topics so as to create a large convoluted mess of topics to discuss.
3) Z-Man "forgets" the old topics and remains stubborn on what he wants said (note, "what he wants said", he's not open to discussion, he just wants to say and enforce his way)
Trust me, I too think it's ridiculous. And the thing is nothing would have had to have been brought up either if the moderators could just stop abusing. I was actually fully prepared to wait for Tank Program to deal with all the disputes...but Lucifer decided to troll, and Z-Man decided to harass...what do you expect of me? Just to ignore its constant presence? It's a targeted attack (not a conspiracy, but cyber bullying).
Whether or not they cooperate, I will make it stop.
No real (worthwhile) discussions have been taking place to begin with! Remember how adamant Z-Man was on getting that PM history posted to disprove my "slanderous" claims?? Isn't it obvious to you by now that he was operating under a false pretence just to try to expose that one PM as a threat..? Where's his discussion regarding the "slanderous" claims?! Z-Man hasn't been discussing to begin with. The problem is that there are abusive moderators; the bigger problem is that you cannot reason with them (not at all). By no means should I deserve a ban because of Z-Man's inability to justify his own (or Lucifer's) actions...wtf? Do you want them to be able to mistreat users unfairly?Then in the future further discussion can warrant bans and/or locked topics. I think it's been a waste of time overall but that's just me.
@/dev/null: +1 lmao punny exit ;P
Though people should try to care more - some users have been far too intolerant and it has gotten abusive as a result.
Plus, it's Tank's website, and his project - I will be sure to ask him personally how he wants it run, because I can't get a straight answer out of anyone here.
Besides that, this IS a democracy in the sense that this website's hosting provider is still bound by laws of the area it's hosted in. And Tank Program become fully liable when he signed up for the hosting service. Cyber bullying is illegal; Z-Man and Lucifer aren't liable so they obviously wouldn't care, by Tank definitely should.
<edit: pretty lucky that your post was the last on the page - made the joke(pun?...funny bit) better>
....will respond to page 9 later
that post was very diplomatic, I'd just like to say that I think Lucifer should remain a moderator even if the ban was a mistake - firstly, as can be seen in that thread, he wasn't the only one who was irritated by the posts. While a moderator is rightly expected to preserve a friendly climate, here it seems like a line was crossed in a way that needed to be addressed; and secondly, I don't want robot moderators to decide who can talk and who can't - you guys are humans, damnit. 
