ConVicT wrote:all of the conformists here.
Yeah, your troglodytism, regurgitation of archaic prejudices, and repetition of internet newspeak is pure rebellion.
Seriously? Are you just trolling or are you genuinely so completely unaware of your ongoing misogyny?
ConVicT wrote:it's you that thinks everything is rosey
What planet are you living on? Is your reading comprehension really that terrible?
Light wrote:If you wanted to get a point across, it would do more to actually explain.... Simply attacking does nothing....
We tried for several pages, but as is typical with you kids, not only doesn't it get through your thick skulls, but you continue to dig your holes deeper, making yourselves look even worse. At that point, I tell you what you are. Go back and read. Everything has citations. Facts. It's your own fault that you've refused to read or consider any of that which threatens your comfortable male privilege. Instead, all you've delivered is knee-jerk reaction and repetition of your prejudices. I get harsher as these "conversations" go on because people like you need to be shook out of it, and nothing else seems to be working to that point.
Light wrote:I find it hard to see from a "woman's point of view".
Seems to me this thread has demonstrated your refusal to try.
It would be nice if they would make them for both men and women, but I think they're still stuck in the "women don't play games" kind of thing.
"They" being the industry that is 80% men, facing a consumer base that is already 50% women. Easy way to fix that, but it would involve opening up the boys club and losing the institutionalized sexism and misogyny.
Kind'a like "women don't watch porn", yet now there are companies that dedicate themselves to porn for women instead of gearing it towards men.
Funny how the first analogy you went to was that one.
I've known quite a few women gamers, and I don't see how they're any different than male gamers. I don't see why we shouldn't have games geared towards them as well.
First you say "they're no different," but in the next statement you posit that female gamers require a separate and distinct genre of games "geared toward them." How about just losing the aforementioned institutionalized sexism and misogyny?
Z-Man wrote:New Lara Croft seems to be a step in the right direction.
While the blatant objectification may have finally been (mostly) done away with, and it even passes the Bechdel Test, there appear to be a couple problematic issues with this one, too. Agency, for one.
I stopped reading at "Hi, I am a male...." followed by "You might be interested to check out a book such as 'men are from mars, women are from venus'." Polling men about what women want.
Hell, I could have stopped reading at the very title: "Games for Women." Inherent in that title and his question is the presumption that the current state of the industry is that most games are just "neutral" and there need to be special games made just for girls and women, who are only interested in a certain type(s) of "girly games." He wants to know what those "girly games" are.
No. What we need are games for people
. The current situation is not one of neutrality; the male is not the default gender. Patriarchy is no more neutral than white supremacy. Make good games of any type
that aren't offensive to and oppressive of women, and women will play them. Yes, there are several aspects of life that, in story-telling
, will be more relatable to women—something completely missing in gaming and to a large extent in popular culture/entertainment in general. But just start with losing the massive sexist imbalance.
Light wrote:It would be nice if they could come up with a realistic way to poll what people like.
Here's a weird idea: Ask women. Hire women. Stop believing that those with a penis are the default or superior gender.
And, again, to you, this idea of "games for women"—you apparently fail to grasp the fact that
most games (and popular culture in general) are not just neutral; they're geared toward troglodytic, adolescent males and negatively against women. You're continuing with this notion that special considerations need to be made for some exotic "womenfolk interests." They're from Venus, after all (
). No, begin just by ridding it of the male privilege, sexism, misogyny. Give women agency. Recognize that they are full, complete, complex, independent humans. That they're not monolithic. That they can have roles in games and REAL LIFE that don't involve being one-dimensional sex objects, decoration, servile, victims or damsels in need of rescuing.