What a silly post, psy. It never ceases to amaze me the culture and warped sense of etiquette and morality some of you espouse. All the trolls, bigots, and otherwise malicious people in this game and on this forum, and you're going to call me, sine, or Word bullies? Me, the person who has been been the object of abuse and elaborate trolling from the likes of Liz and company for years on end, and has spent those years scolding their abhorrent behavior?
You'd call a cop a bully for cuffing a spousal abuser.
þsy wrote:Any time someone tries to put forward an 'idea', about anything - music, film, politics etc., the aforementioned do a very good job of shooting the 'idea' + the person down
Another example. You get upset about substantive debate or argument about an actual 'idea' (why did you put that word in quotes, by the way? I have a theory), but I've never seen you scold anyone for actual mistreatment of others. For crying out loud, you're siding with Liz, of all people. (Surely you realize that if this argument weren't with me, she wouldn't be siding with you, right?) So, by your standards, personal insults are cool, trash talk is cool, trolling and flaming are cool. But debating an actual subject? No, we can't have that. All opinions must be treated with kid gloves! We've been over this before. What you're actually objecting to is the very fact of being disagreed with. "You can't say I'm wrong! I'm special. You're such a bully!"
Well, I'm just a bit tired of it - trying to be polite and discussing things equally
That lamentation might carry more weight if you were in fact universal and consistent in your criticisms of people's ill behavior. You should be scolding people left and right. But you're not. You're simply behaving and saying essentially the same things as Gaz, only more articulately so. Are you aware?
And again, we've already been over your silly notion of what it means to "discuss things equally."
The internet is often thought to have enabled more horizontal, non-hierarchical discussion
I believe that Phyto, who I have literally never seen play tron or even appear on the armabrowser in 4 years of my time playing
Wow, literally? Literally?
I'm sure it is true that you haven't seen the name "Phytotron" in game. Therefore, I must never play, and never have played.
Awesome logic there, bub.
...has bullied people across the forums for years, simply to make himself feel like a bigger person. ... I wouldn't want to say, I've never met the guy
But you did just say. "I'm going to make up some psychoanalytical bullshit, tie it up in an insult, then absolve myself of it by pretending like I'm not judgmental." Yes, you're so above the fray, aren't you.
Sine, on the hand, hooked up with Phyto a while back to make a killer double team. While he wasn't as offensive, he used his bullying (plus the genuinely hard work he put into running ladles) to develop a greater say on matters regarding ladle issues than other people. This, meant his posts carried more weight than us other average tronners, and has made people afraid to to contradict anything he's said at the risking of getting squashed by the big man, leaving no room for further discussion
It's obviously a deliberate scheme. So devious. You've figured us out. Quick, sine, we must retreat to our evil lair!
At first, (Word's) posts offended Phyto and Sine greatly, but once they realised he was just trying to be like them, they took him under their wings as their apprentice
You're really a piece of work. As recently as a month ago
, and a month before that
, I got all over Word's case. And probably times between and since; those two just sprang to mind. I argue with Word all the damn time. And, by the way, in case you've forgotten, I've sided with you on a few things. I've even backed up a few things Liz has said on the very rare occasion it has actually made a substantive post (a roughly 5% incidence), as opposed to just trolling or flaming someone.
You see, my allegiance here is to ideas and principles. You say something stupid, I'm going to call you on it, whomever you are. Both Word and sinewav can attest to that, as I've called out the both of them on various things. But you ignore all that; it would ruin your confirmation bias.
As I said, I give Word a hard time on a regular basis. But what's the difference? Why did I defend him up there? Not because of your laughably ridiculous "apprentice" claim. But because the fact is, the guy has demonstrated that he thinks. That he has intellectual curiosity and that he's interested in what's right (even if he's wrong a lot), and he does the reading and thinking to support and facilitate that. He's interested in being sensible (even when he's not). And I respect that. As well, because he can engage in an argument without reacting in the postmodernist way you or someone like Venijn do ("you're not allowed to say I'm wrong! all views are equal, especially mine!"), nor in the internet/gaming culture manner in which so many others here do (juvenile shit talk, trolling, flaming, etc.). Look what he just said: "And I still post some absurdities myself every now and then, you're welcome to go up against me there." And it's true.
Word says boneheaded stuff all the time, and he gets called on it, often by me, with myself often the most heavy-handed about it. But what does he do? He goes to the argument, we both do. We throw jabs at each other, but they're always in the context of the argument. There's a difference between that and just plain vitriolic insults and actual bullying. He also doesn't get a bunch of lackeys in whatever his current clique is to come "defend" him by attacking me or whomever with hypocritical insults.
Another important point: Word isn't malicious.
See, I contend you define "bullying" as any expression of strong opinion, even strong will, especially if it is backed up by a case (omg lots of words) instead of being a one-liner, and
, importantly, without it being couched it in a bunch of evasive hedge words and phrases.
So, I think that in actuality, this isn't about principled behavior. Rather, this is personal for you. You don't like being challenged, so much so that you feel it emotionally to the point of mislabeling it "bullying." Howsat for some psychoanalysis?
Here's a question, a truly profound and abstract proposition, granted: Did it ever occur to you that we three might simply agree on some stuff? Maybe we have similar attitudes and even temperaments about some things?
Nahhhh, couldn't be. It's clearly all a coordinated plan to rule this domain.
lots of angry discussions have revolved around not being able to discuss stuff because of you three
Baloney. The problem is, other people don't actually try to discuss anything. It's either the group of 4chan/Encyclopedia Dramatica social rejects, or it's your type who want to be all postmodernist and not have anyone disagree with you. That's the problem. People either want to be heard but not challenged, or just want to shit on other people "for teh lulz." But then when one of us comes along and points that out, we're the bad guy. Such is the nature of the bizarro reality that is this forum, and in large degree the internet as a whole. Don't judge me!
þsy wrote:(Nicest player on tron 2K13)
But you're not. That's the other problem. You're a phony. Your idea of "being nice" is to ignore actual wrongdoing and scold those who don't. It's warped, self-centered pollyannaism. You've brought up the concept of "performativity" before. I say you're performing some notion of what you think is supposed to be a bleeding-heart liberal. Moreover, you're more interested in being liked than in doing good. Howsat?
it's annoying being put down yourself, but when you see it happen to other people all the time - that is frustrating, you've gotta look out for the little people in this life, even on stupid gaming forums. That's my philosophy at least
Oh, really. "Little people?" What little people? Seriously. And whom have you ever defended besides yourself? And why have you not ever criticised the myriad and various insults and put downs leveled by those who happen to be on your side at the moment? Get over yourself. I say again, you're a phony.
Now, psy, watch how much crap this post gets over the next few days, and let's see what you're going to do about it, Mr. Kumbaya.
delinquent wrote:just how petty this all really is.
I believe I've been saying that all along.
That word is a bastid to spell, huh.
The whole point of the book (Lord of the Flies) is to show that a society without such principles ultimately self-destructs and that barbarism and anarchy don't get you very far.