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I remember that girl whom I've let copy a complete math test and she got the better result. D:

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Word wrote:I remember that girl whom I've let copy a complete math test and she got the better result. D:
And you didn't get laid either. Same situation.

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sinewav wrote:
Word wrote:I remember that girl whom I've let copy a complete math test and she got the better result. D:
And you didn't get laid either. Same situation.
I left that out so compguy doesn't think he's owing you this. :)

(she was one of a kind indeed...)

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Difference is that girl really didn't owe you anything, especially sex, other than a "thank you." And to mumble "sucker" under her breath.

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Nothing is so hard as man's ingratitude. >_<

I never said I wanted to get laid by her in return for something I did for her though...that would be the same as prostitution.

Can we change the direction of the topic please? :goatee:

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Word wrote:...that would be the same as prostitution.
Which of course is perfectly Ok, prostitution that is.

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Word wrote:I never said I wanted to get laid by her in return for something I did for her though...
I didn't say you did, considering sinewav is the one who said it. I was responding to him (though the point goes out to everyone), just using your anecdote as the example, same as he did. Now, I'm hoping that he was joking, but I nevertheless was compelled to make the point since that kind of attitude is so prevalent among males.

So, just to reiterate, point one was that a girl/woman is under no obligation to a male for his doing her a favor or being a Nice Guy™, other than the same sort of common courtesy he would expect from another guy. Not sex, not a date, not a kiss, nothing. If you expect otherwise, you're a sucker—and a misogynist jerk.

Point two was that this differs from the situation with Gene and his logo. If you design something for him, you are owed and should expect compensation as promised—including if he modifies it, by the way. (So, I agree with the concept of compensation, but not the example.)


As for the prostitution comments, I disagree with you both. So there!



Also, this makes me sad:
Fate wrote:I'm not the best at drawing sadly but I'm fairly good with [computer graphics programs].
Foremost, the position bothers me on so many levels. "I can't play an instrument or sing, but I'm good with Garage Band and Autotune."

But additionally though somewhat incidentally, there's that glaring lack of punctuation and the resulting confusion of meaning. "I'm not the best at drawing [in a sad way]." What is it to draw sadly? Can you draw happily? As we can see, that's just one of several examples in this thread. He doesn't seem to be the best at punctuation and syntax, sadly, but he's fairly good with creating run-on sentences.

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Phytotron wrote:As for the prostitution comments, I disagree with you both. So there!
Yeah I was kidding about the getting laid comment. As much as I try, I still fall into distasteful attempts at humor occasionally. Years of conditioning to reverse; it's a slow battle. I'd be interested to hear your views regarding prostitution, in a PM or here if you are inclined. I used to have very strong reservations against prostitution, but there have been a couple people in my life who have caused me to rethink my position.* Now I'm totally indifferent to it.



* Note: I have never paid for or been paid for sex.

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sinewav wrote:* Note: I have never paid for or been paid for sex.
Really? You've never taken a girl out on an expensive dinner?

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vogue wrote:
sinewav wrote:* Note: I have never paid for or been paid for sex.
Really? You've never taken a girl out on an expensive dinner?
What is wrong with you? First you're making excuses for, blaming the victim of, rape; now you're validating that kind of bull? Internalization, much?

sinewav wrote:I'd be interested to hear your views regarding prostitution, in a PM or here if you are inclined.
It's a bit complicated, or at least lengthy. First of all, if there's any manner of coercion or exploitation involved, it's totally unacceptable. I think we should agree there, yeah? (I might go so far as to describe it as rape by proxy in such cases; and I don't just mean sex trafficking/slavery.)

Beyond that, my general opposition comes from a feminist position (which I believe must necessarily constitute a humanist/humanitarian position). My views can be more-or-less described in the "against" section here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_v ... ostitution. So there's all that.

A few notes, by addition or caveat to the above:

- I don't necessarily believe that prostitutes are themselves in the wrong, though I do believe the pimps and johns are.
- I don't agree with much of "sex-positive feminism" on the whole, this notion that women "embracing and reclaiming" (read: internalizing) the old sexual patriarchy and misogyny is somehow "empowering." (I think I've mentioned both Girls Gone Anti-Feminist and Female Chauvinist Pigs previously.)
- I don't believe prostitution should be legalized, but I do lean ambivalently toward decriminalization for workers only, not for pimps (or possibly johns), with the following stipulations:
- I do support programs to make it safer—something along the lines of the sex workers' rights movement, just not as far as making it a legitimate, legal profession.
- There should be programs to help women get out of it, and we must address the social conditions that lead women into it in the first place.
- I also strongly believe we must destroy those attitudes associated with prostitution that contribute to or are a part of rape culture; for example, the idea that a prostitute can't be raped, or that a woman who acknowledges her sexuality is a whore.

(And if you're wondering, and you probably are, all of the above applies to stripping and pornography as well.)

There is a second element to it, that having to do with concepts of human dignity, and how sex and boundaries figure into that. Here again, complicated and lengthy, but I don't have a handy link. So, I'll try to just sum up. I think something like prostitution diminishes and degrades both the act of sex itself as well as human dignity. It's treating sex as something mechanical, and using a person as a glorified masturbation tool; rather than understanding sex as a meaningful, intimate act and a person as something whole rather than an object. So, this applies not only to prostitution but also casual sex, as I've alluded to previously. Self-indulgence, narcissism, debasement, objectification (which, of course, ties in with the feminist point). Yes, even if it's mutually consensual. No, I'm not an abstinence advocate. I do, however, believe that sex should be reserved for, and thought of as a mutual expression of, a romantic relationship. (The best sex comes from that, too. I guarantee you a schlub like Clutch is terrible in bed, and probably doesn't care because the whole point is it's about him, for him. So long as he gets off and gets to carve a notch on the bedpost, that's a win. Conquest.)


Amazingly, all of the above applies equally to women and men.

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Phytotron wrote: Amazingly, all of the above applies equally to women and men.
In the same sentence you've made and undermined your entire argument. And I agree with every word of argument except this one. There's nothing amazing about what you wrote applying to both sexes. In fact, your argument implies the idea that there's nothing amazing about this type of equality. I was so surprised at your use of the word 'amazing' there, that I almost decided it was a typo, in which case I would have let it be.

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In other words, you missed that the "amazingly" was sarcastic. Surely you're aware of the existence of double-standards on these matters (e.g., the slut/stud paradigm).

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Thanks. I still find the subject extremely complicated. I used to have some polarized thinking regarding the sex industry. Now, not so much. I'm still not going to engage in it, but lately I'm a lot softer to those who do/have.

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Phytotron wrote:
vogue wrote:
sinewav wrote:* Note: I have never paid for or been paid for sex.
Really? You've never taken a girl out on an expensive dinner?
What is wrong with you? First you're making excuses for, blaming the victim of, rape; now you're validating that kind of bull? Internalization, much?
I was joking to a tron buddy, is that okay with you or should I run it by you next time?

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Trust a thread started by compguy to turn into a discussion about prostitution

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