There aren't a lot of religious songs in my library i'm afraid. I've found "Blues for Allah" (Grateful Dead again) and "God bless the Absentee" (Paul Simon) and "God made an angel" (Timbuk3).
Running up that hill??Phytotron wrote:Kate Bush, too.
Running up that hill??Phytotron wrote:Kate Bush, too.
Wait, what the hell are you talking about? How is "Life is a Pigsty" "atheist music" (whatever the hell that means)? And, uh, what song called "Imagine" by Talking Heads?Word wrote:I think I have a lot of explicitly atheist music (e.g. "Life is a pigsty" - Morrissey, "Heaven" - Talking Heads..."Imagine" )
Huh?Word wrote:Running up that hill??Phytotron wrote:Kate Bush, too.
Life isn't a pigsty according to Christian religion, is it? At least the narrator can't be very religious.Phytotron wrote:Wait, what the hell are you talking about? How is "Life is a Pigsty" "atheist music" (whatever the hell that means)? And, uh, what song called "Imagine" by Talking Heads?Word wrote:I think I have a lot of explicitly atheist music (e.g. "Life is a pigsty" - Morrissey, "Heaven" - Talking Heads..."Imagine" )
Didn't know what you were referring to - Running up that Hill is the only Kate Bush song I remember to have contained the word "God" in some lines (although that's not the main topic).Phytotron wrote:Huh?Word wrote:Running up that hill??Phytotron wrote:Kate Bush, too.
Because that's the most controversial part. People are attracted to drama.sinewav wrote:I'm starting to get a bit disappointed with this fixation on the tiny anti-religion aspect of the music and complete obliviousness to the pro-science/reasoning message. Why focus on the negative? Why define something by such a small, small element? Also, the entire piece can be considered more pro-religion than anti-religion since there is only one sample that speaks against, and an entire song featuring nuns chanting a prayer.
ItzAcid wrote:Back to sine's music!
So much illogic in those statements. 1) It's thought that the song is a reference to the themes expressed in the film "Pigsty," which is a commentary on humanity—and Germany, in particular. Nothing atheistic there. 2) How is life not a pigsty according to Christianity? 3) How is life a pigsty according to "atheism?" 4) You continue to harbor this completely distorted, negative definition of what atheism means, and whatever implications you think it must have. We've been over this before and you obviously still haven't learned anything. 5) How do you come to this conclusion that the lyricist can't be religious? 6) Do you automatically define anything that isn't pro-Christian as atheistic? 7) Even anything negative as atheistic?Word wrote:Life isn't a pigsty according to Christian religion, is it? At least the narrator can't be very religious.
Good grief, how in the world could you make that mistake? And that song isn't explicitly atheistic. Atheism is not defined as disbelief in specific Christian concepts like heaven—that would make all non-Christians atheists, wouldn't it? Nor is it even defined as "non-religious"—theists can be non-religious. Again, points we've already been over but you've apparently not understood or have refused to accept. Nor was Lennon exactly an atheist, and certainly not a naturalist or skeptic, quite the opposite. Moreover, Lennon spoke admirably of Jesus's teachings, some of which is expressed in that very song.I meant John Lennon's song ("imagine there's no heaven...").
My mention of her had absolutely nothing to do with that (I don't even listen to Kate Bush or know that song). Sinewav said he doesn't get phased by songs about Jesus, in the same way he doesn't get phased by DIO's metal songs about magic and stuff. (Do you not get the implied correlation there?) I joked, sarcastically, that I took DIO seriously (as opposed to Christian music), and added Kate Bush who's all new-agey or whatever.Word wrote:Didn't know what you were referring to - Running up that Hill is the only Kate Bush song I remember to have contained the word "God" in some lines (although that's not the main topic).
Exactly. I tried to express that, or at least allude to it, a couple times. And really, above all, that segment and the ideas expressed aren't negative. But, some folks apparently can't conceive that a naturalistic world view—one embracing and promoting reason and science, and absent supernaturalism in all its forms—could be positive, uplifting, inspiring, joyous, profound, awesome (in the classical sense of the word), progressive, constructive, bettering of humanity, indeed all life on earth, as well as our own personal satisfaction. Rather, many evidently believe that the world can only be understood as either a wonderful blessed place under God's glory, or it must be stark, dismal, bleak, hopeless, terrifying, and all-around negative.sinewav wrote:I'm starting to get a bit disappointed with this fixation on the tiny anti-religion aspect of the music and complete obliviousness to the pro-science/reasoning message. Why focus on the negative?
Ah, yeah, I forgot to mention that in my initial response. Just goes to show the cultural attitude. Religious expression is considered normal and almost not even noticed, while nonreligious expression jumps out as abnormal, strange, "controversial," even wrong—as not belonging. It's why it's still an accepted form of overt bigotry to bash atheists.Also, the entire piece can be considered more pro-religion than anti-religion since there is only one sample that speaks against, and an entire song featuring nuns chanting a prayer.