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But on the other hand, I think it's nice to know that we are in such an accepting community that things like this don't completely rock our world.
This is the internet after all
Yeah, but the flipside of that is that nobody wants to be part of a community that doesn't care about anything. You are right, it shouldn't rock our world, but it shouldn't be regarded as cool. This applies for every other group of people.
What you two don't seem to understand is that this wasn't mainly about condemning Elmo for what he did but that nearly everyone here thinks it was OK to lie, in general. That's so disappointing about this thread. It's a certificate of poverty.
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Elmo, as an avatar, was a female - there's no lies there (and probably will still be a female in people's imaginaries). Elmo as a human being is a male, but he chose to project himself as a female. What my post proposes is two different approaches to internet identities, and which one resonates most with you will affect how you feel about the whole thing.

What my post was saying was not how we should feel, but asking why we feel the way we feel. If I was close to Elmo then I might be angry, but I don't really know him/her at all, so I couldn't really say

My post makes a few assumptions here and there, but it could be a good starting point for an interesting discussion
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...but asking why we feel the way we feel
You can answer that question yourself in one or two sentences after you've read Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics.*
Or take a look at what John Rawls wrote about "considered judgment"*. discussion over.

(That said, it's probably a little disappointing and only leads back to my previous post).

*Summary of what Aristotle said about the role of education: "The point of origin of all ethics is the 'That' (= the intention, purpose), and if it is clear, the Why-question becomes obsolete for one's actions. Whoever studies ethics (= condemns or defends Elmo) must already have a good character (of course now you'd have to read what Aristotle considers 'good') to have a saying."

**"We can discard those judgements made with hesitation, or in which we have little confidence[...]
Considered judgements are simply those rendered under conditions favourable to the exercise of the
sense of justice, and therefore in circumstances where the more common excuses and explanations for
making a mistake do not obtain."

So, if you already have a good character by the old Greek's definition (this doesn't mean you're perfect though), you know enough about Elmo's action to say that it's wrong, without having to ask why.
I don't really know him/her at all, so I couldn't really say
Crime and fraud is still bad no matter if you're personally involved or not. Sooner or later you or your loved ones could be affected, but that shouldn't be the only reason to care about it.
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lol




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þsy wrote:lol
you can tell, right? you can tell that Word has absolutely no hobbies and thrives on this forum drama?

yea elmo lied, got ridiculed, everyone moved on but you, Word

get a life bro

maybe put all that energy in reviving your lame, dead clan
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Ridiculous nonsense. If you all moved on, why bother to comment that remark about girls in tron, after such a long time, seeing how harmless it was? Apparently half your clan needs to "get a life" so it doesn't start crying whenever one of their members is subject of some mockery (which Elmo wasn't, you still don't get that). Hey, you've done that so often with my clan (and you're doing it still) but did we ever gang up on you as a result and claimed some bullshit so we could possibly hurt you after 31 failed tries?

Oh yeah, and that I read some books makes me a no-lifer too? Is that what you're trying to say? Should I instead go to some friends so we all have a great time getting drunk? Is that what you're considering a meaningful life?
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Word wrote:Ridiculous nonsense. If you all moved on, why bother to comment that remark about girls in tron, after such a long time, seeing how harmless it was? Apparently half your clan needs to "get a life" so it doesn't start crying whenever one of their members is subject of some mockery (which Elmo wasn't, you still don't get that).
Hmm... Kinda got a point there.
Word wrote:Oh yeah, and that I read some books makes me a no-lifer too? Is that what you're trying to say? Should I instead go to some friends so we all have a great time getting drunk? Is that what you're considering a meaningful life?
Not that Word needs any help here (he's doing great all by himself), but I must say I'm impressed with the quality of his posts over the past year or two. He is definitely expanding his mind, solidifying his grasp of the English language, and getting better at verbalizing some complex ideas. His wits are sharper. That's not characteristic of a "no-lifer." I envy that, because when I was his age I was only hanging out with friends getting drunk.
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again Word, maybe you should put all the effort into reviving your dead clan rather than focusing on this so much

also, i'm a sociopath, you can't hurt me even if you tried :pacman: :sdot: :sdot: :sdot: :sdot: :sdot:
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Is it just me, or are kijutsu (am right in thinking liz?)'s posts are intentionally provocative now? Really, there is no need for it.
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You're right, but it's nothing new (and not actually provocative anymore, just stupid).

(And thank you, sine - I think getting drunk is more interesting than philosophy though. the students there are all rich priviliged kids. I just took that lecture because it's required to be honest. I'm interested in the subject itself, but the professors and 'real' philosophy students there are all crazy and live in their ivory tower IMO. I noticed like half of them are former aristocrats with a 'von' in their name or have some CEOs as parents, or already joined a political party. And the professor is like a mashup of Ned Flanders on steroids and the Joker from Batman. Giggles during every third sentence regardless if he's talking about terrorists, the holocaust or if he's bragging about all the famous people he happened to meet in his life. Horrible.)
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Word wanted to provoke some replies with his post and he did, what's the problem
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Monkey.D.Luffy wrote:^ I have heard both mya, Oddeuro and Minxy 8)

And how can you forget Destiny! :ghost:
Oddeuro and Mixny are guys srsly? DESTINY TOO? didnt know
Btw, you are forgetting sunny, Lena
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Word wrote:Ned Flanders on steroids...
:P Sexy Flanders?
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Im glad elmo came out, Our skype sessions are less confusing now.
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