Ladle 47

[PokeMaster]

I've never been a fan of limit_rounds really. I'm for taking it away.

[teen]

It sucks when you lose.

Why do we have elimination tourneys? Wouldn't it all be better if nobody got eliminated and everyone got to play until the finals? No losers, all winners.


(I wouldn't mind a limit_time instead of limit_rounds and limit_score, it works great in pickup. However, the current system is awesome (correct me if i'm wrong. just speak up if ladle isn't your favorite fort event) and it allows for great matches. Really great matches. Why would we change that?)

Oh and I too had the opportunity to taste the bitterness of limit_rounds 10 this ladle. Score was like 74-86 against CTb in the first match, and they suicided & thus won the match. That sucked for us, but it was prolly fun for them And it was in no way an unfair victory.


But suicides are suicides what if it is
By the way here's a suggestion. How about a new setting that can give the enemy team x points if you suicide (no specific player, just the enemy team). I've always thought that it's unfair that you can die without giving the enemies any points, and it's becoming more and more common with tactical suicides.
Example: Team blue was awarded 2 points because Titanoboa committed suicide. I'm sure one of you can come up with a better wording though, haha.
(And before anyone says it.. No, I don't think score_suicide -2 would have the same effect at all.)

but what if it is 98-88 and it is 3v1 and the defender suicides to save the zone and from him being holed.

[INW]

This topic should be split into a ladle 48 discussion topic.

Maybe a vote will happen soon.

[Cody]

If I were to change anything, I'd forget about limit_time and remove limit_rounds, making it purely based on score. It's pretty rare for a Ladle match to end on rounds, and there are plenty of matches that go on much too long and never reach 10 rounds, so, raising the round limit won't positively mean longer Ladles. In fact, raising the number of rounds creates more opportunities for exciting comebacks, which we can all agree is a good thing. And of course, making limit_score the only way to victory immediately eliminates team suicides.

Limit_Score = pure awesomeness!

[dariv]

If I were to change anything, I'd forget about limit_time and remove limit_rounds, making it purely based on score. It's pretty rare for a Ladle match to end on rounds, and there are plenty of matches that go on much too long and never reach 10 rounds, so, raising the round limit won't positively mean longer Ladles. In fact, raising the number of rounds creates more opportunities for exciting comebacks, which we can all agree is a good thing. And of course, making limit_score the only way to victory immediately eliminates team suicides.

+1 nice idea. I thought we had a comeback going on and it was cut short. It would only have taken 1 more round.

[INW]

If I were to change anything, I'd forget about limit_time and remove limit_rounds, making it purely based on score. It's pretty rare for a Ladle match to end on rounds, and there are plenty of matches that go on much too long and never reach 10 rounds, so, raising the round limit won't positively mean longer Ladles. In fact, raising the number of rounds creates more opportunities for exciting comebacks, which we can all agree is a good thing. And of course, making limit_score the only way to victory immediately eliminates team suicides.

I would vote for this idea. I don't really have a problem with the current ladle system but I wouldn't mind this.

[2020]

yup
round limit is a shadow from original fortress settings
no need for it in the ladle

i still think it might be a useful patch
if a whole 3 or 5 match game was programmed
which would have a time limit
but the number of teams don't demand this move yet...
in a bigger tournament
timing will become a real issue

and gratz to unk

[ElmosWorld]

It sucks when you lose.

Why do we have elimination tourneys? Wouldn't it all be better if nobody got eliminated and everyone got to play until the finals? No losers, all winners.


(I wouldn't mind a limit_time instead of limit_rounds and limit_score, it works great in pickup. However, the current system is awesome (correct me if i'm wrong. just speak up if ladle isn't your favorite fort event) and it allows for great matches. Really great matches. Why would we change that?)

Oh and I too had the opportunity to taste the bitterness of limit_rounds 10 this ladle. Score was like 74-86 against CTb in the first match, and they suicided & thus won the match. That sucked for us, but it was prolly fun for them And it was in no way an unfair victory.


But suicides are suicides what if it is
By the way here's a suggestion. How about a new setting that can give the enemy team x points if you suicide (no specific player, just the enemy team). I've always thought that it's unfair that you can die without giving the enemies any points, and it's becoming more and more common with tactical suicides.
Example: Team blue was awarded 2 points because Titanoboa committed suicide. I'm sure one of you can come up with a better wording though, haha.
(And before anyone says it.. No, I don't think score_suicide -2 would have the same effect at all.)

but what if it is 98-88 and it is 3v1 and the defender suicides to save the zone and from him being holed.

If the gold defender suicides in that case blue gets 6 points anyway and wins the match.

[INW]

It sucks when you lose.

Why do we have elimination tourneys? Wouldn't it all be better if nobody got eliminated and everyone got to play until the finals? No losers, all winners.


(I wouldn't mind a limit_time instead of limit_rounds and limit_score, it works great in pickup. However, the current system is awesome (correct me if i'm wrong. just speak up if ladle isn't your favorite fort event) and it allows for great matches. Really great matches. Why would we change that?)

Oh and I too had the opportunity to taste the bitterness of limit_rounds 10 this ladle. Score was like 74-86 against CTb in the first match, and they suicided & thus won the match. That sucked for us, but it was prolly fun for them And it was in no way an unfair victory.


But suicides are suicides what if it is
By the way here's a suggestion. How about a new setting that can give the enemy team x points if you suicide (no specific player, just the enemy team). I've always thought that it's unfair that you can die without giving the enemies any points, and it's becoming more and more common with tactical suicides.
Example: Team blue was awarded 2 points because Titanoboa committed suicide. I'm sure one of you can come up with a better wording though, haha.
(And before anyone says it.. No, I don't think score_suicide -2 would have the same effect at all.)

but what if it is 98-88 and it is 3v1 and the defender suicides to save the zone and from him being holed.

If the gold defender suicides in that case blue gets 6 points anyway and wins the match.

Am I reading this correctly? 88 + 6 = 94 < 98?

[DDMJ]

No INW you aren't because blue has 98...98 + 6 = 104 > 88

He meant 1v3 where the team that has the 1 is up 98-88. But then it would be tied 98 - 98, so perhaps he really meant 98 - 90?

[INW]

No INW you aren't because blue has 98...98 + 6 = 104 > 88

He meant 1v3 where the team that has the 1 is up 98-88. But then it would be tied 98 - 98, so perhaps he really meant 98 - 90?

oic, I thought blue had the 1.

Ya, if yellow suicides, blue would get the round win points and win anyway.

I'm a derp.

[ElmosWorld]

No INW you aren't because blue has 98...98 + 6 = 104 > 88

He meant 1v3 where the team that has the 1 is up 98-88. But then it would be tied 98 - 98, so perhaps he really meant 98 - 90?

Wouldn't you assume that gold wouldn't get the zone and would still lose 98-94(or 96 depending on whether the death gave points or not)?

[dreadlord]

I think he wanted to point out that, without getting points for the suicide of an enemy, the defender has the opportunity to end the round with the score 98-98. In any other case the team of the defender would lose the match, so all in all this supports the idea of points for the enemy team if a player suicides.

[apparition]

Congratulationssssssss team.uNk.team!!!! Well done mates! I totally called it in my head

[teen]

LOL my math skills need some improvement