The wanna be hacker who didn't cover his tracks

[Z-Man]

Forc3, taz: keep things to verifyable facts, please, and keep on topic. Admin qualities are off topic. And find ways to identify yourselves. I, for one, don't trust first time posters in such a situation.

Mecca: consequences can be discussed later. Right now, accusations have been made, and we should find out whether they are true or not. Personally, I haven't really decided yet whether I should care.

[F0RC3]

Um i really don't exactly any way to actually verify who i am other then i am sure others can vouch for me who i am. i have been playing armagetron for about a year and a half now. i am currently a moderator in the Immortal Dynasty clan. and i used to be an admin for vcl. the only way i know that this could be verifiable would for people to tell you i am -=ID< Force. the most people in this topic can verify my identity and taz's as well.

[gawdzilla]

Z-man: They are both legit.

This situation is going too far though, find out who did this quickly and move on. People are getting banned everywhere because theyre not agreeing with Destiny's reign of power, which I think is completely ridiculous. You are making this situation worse than it is, woman. It's just a damn e-mail spam, and it was so OBVIOUSLY Cloaket. This is his style, not code's, and believe it or not but I've questioned code more than any of you in the past.

[destiny]

just for the record, I can tell its is force and taz and mecca. All three of them have said those things before and all of them spoke in the same syntax they always do.

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This has been going on for quite a while. I have tried to get the parties to try to come to some kind of truce, I also tried to get them to stop doing in the Wild West servers. I have tried to be fair and equal in this whole mess, and despite all the accusations thrown at me, I think I have been pretty fair throughout this whole thing. I have also tried to stick to just the facts in this argument. There are a lot of things that we don't know. There are people who do know things and they are not coming forward and doing the right thing. That makes them guilty by association. We will probably never have all the facts to be honest.

Both sides have been trying to yank me back and forth and manipulate me into seeing their side. Both sides have done things they shouldn't have in this entire drama. This has been going on for entirely too long and it needs to stop. But I will say this, only one side went to the trouble to spam my inbox and threaten to hack my forum and servers. With that action they brought me into it and forced me to get involved. (and no it wasn't obviously cloaklet, coming from someone who has been spammed by the actual cloaklet in the past)

If I choose to ban them for their involvement I realize I may be alone in it. However, I thought if I presented the facts and showed the community why I feel I need to do this, for the protection and preservation of my community, that the larger tron community would be able to support this decision whether you decide to follow my example. This has nothing to do with a "reign of power" as lizmatic put it. it has to do with doing the right thing.

This mess is making it hard for people to enjoy the game, it needs to stop. This community is getting torn apart by the stupidity. If people are allowed to continue to do this type of thing then I think that is very sad.

[gawdzilla]

That doesn't take away the fact that you are banning people from ww because they simply don't agree with you.

You're on a powertrip, step out before you lose it like arilou.

[Mecca]

from email entitled i will hack ww next wrote:"Hi! I love Immortal Dynasty... I want to just be friends but they all hate me Can we be friends? I want to be friends... can we? Can WE!?!?!?!?!?! I WILL COME OVER YOUR HOUSE AND EAT YOUR CHICKEN IF WE CAN BE FRIENDS!! ! I LOVE CHICKENZZZZZSSZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM GOING TO HACK WW FORUMS NEXT!!! WATCH OUT :cen2:

How is this in any way like code? Like really, this is much more like Cloakets random and immature style.



@dest: There may not be a reign of power, but it may seem like that to some people because you said you are going to ban all of Codes "supporters". What are his friends supposed to do?! Anyone would defend their friend if they believe that they are being falsely accused. If we "support" Code that means we believe (or hope) that his story is legit. That means that we would be disagreeing with your belief that Code did it, which is why you would ban us. That makes what Liz said true :s

[destiny]

there are only 5 people who are actually banned on wild west servers.
1. cloaklet for obvious reasons
2. lizmatic aka sasori for taunting clover over his dead dog.
3. volcano for taunting arilou and impostering cloaklet and saying he deleted id forums
4. taz because i'm sorting out whether or not he is involved since he is a co-leader with code
5. codehunter because he threatened to hack my forums and servers

anyone else who is banned is an hour ban because of a curse filter manta has set up.

so please tell me, how exactly is this a "reign of terror" and a "mass banning".

[destiny]

How is this in any way like code? Like really, this is much more like Cloakets random and immature style.

it isn't like cloaklet either. i have examples of cloaklets spams from before that i'd be glad to forward to zman to show the extreme difference in syntax.

[Manta]

That doesn't take away the fact that you are banning people from ww because they simply don't agree with you.
You're on a powertrip, step out before you lose it like arilou.

I (not destiny) baned 2 people (two is a power trip?) for making direct verbal threats of physical damage against my property (servers and time invested in configuring software).

The reason you are currently banned is of topic. I just want to say I'm getting quite upset with your continued personal attacks against my wife's caricature. When you wish to pay your own money to host servers for others to freely use, then you can decide what kind of conduct to allow there. If you can not abide by simple rules of curtsey' then there are many other servers you can play on. No one is forcing you to come onto my personal server and verbal harass my wife.

[gawdzilla]

That doesn't take away the fact that you are banning people from ww because they simply don't agree with you.
You're on a powertrip, step out before you lose it like arilou.

I (not destiny) baned 2 people (two is a power trip?) for making direct verbal threats of physical damage against my property (servers and time invested in configuring software).

The reason you are currently banned is of topic. I just want to say I'm getting quite upset with your continued personal attacks against my wife's caricature. When you wish to pay your own money to host servers for others to freely use, then you can decide what kind of conduct to allow there. If you can not abide by simple rules of curtsey' then there are many other servers you can play on. No one is forcing you to come onto my personal server and verbal harass my wife.

That's funny, your wife just said she "baned" five people. Maybe try communicating outside of the computer and teamspeak, like, actually talk to eachother IN REAL LIFE? And why do you care anyway, you don't even like Destiny.

I don't care about your stupid ban, keep me banned. THERE ARE A MILLION OTHER SERVERS, LOL! And in all those servers I won't have to deal with your bitch's stupid powertrip and her manipulation - every month she threatens to close down ww. Wanna know why she doesn't? Because then she can't threaten to ban people anymore.

Bye now.

[destiny]

maybe you should try reading the posts instead of assuming lizmatic. i said there are a total of 5 people banned on the ww forums. i didn't say who banned them.

manta was saying he banned 2 people for the threats on our servers, the other three bans were not from the last 24 hours, as you well know considering you are one of them.

[TaZ]

reign of terror

Not only have I tried to help you in this situation, but you straight up assumed I support Code and banned me from all ww servers. I've never lied to you once Destiny, out of our whole friendship. You're banning anyone who is supporting code, you did say that, right? I asked you where it said I supported Code. You basically told me to deal with absolutes and choose sides. Because I have not chosen a side, you banned me. Then you come on msn and say "WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK IM THE BAD GUY?"...well now you know.

[gawdzilla]

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Did you not tell a certain person you'd take care of the other people who weren't banned yet? As in, banhammering some more YAY! It doesn't matter if it's 2 or 5, you're going crazy threatening to ban all of VcL so that number will go up soon. Fine by me though, infact, it's perfect so those people can't be controlled by your manipulation anymore.

Thanks Dest!

[compguygene]

Ok, I started this topic and hereby would like to reclaim the original topic of what has become a major train wreck. Just before Force made the first post he made on this topic, Code and Taz had proposed to Destiny to meet in IM to try to straighten this mess out. Simultaneously, Destiny and I were also communicating in IM. Destiny and I agreed to meet in a Group Chat in MSN messenger. I suggested that Destiny bring me along to help mediate things and try to work out what is really just a bad relationship between VCL and Wild West.
However, as soon as Code saw the post that Force made, he disappeared. We have patiently waited several hours while this topic has just exploded. Unfortunately, I feel I have no choice but to use this forum to reach out to Code and Taz to ask that the 4 of us meet in group chat. We really are not on a witch hunt. But we have issues that we need to discuss. Perhaps we can just work this out with a group chat and a mutual reporting back to this forum.
I have great respect for many players in the VCL clan, some of whom I count as friends on the Grid. Guys, this is a GAME! Lets get back to having fun and end this summer drama. Every summer has it's drama. Let's just end this one quietly! The four of us can work this out!

[destiny]

@ taz what i said was "i'm the one being put on trial here in this topic" not that i'm the bad guy.

i'm not the one that spammed email mailboxes over a petty drama that has been going on too long to hide the fact that i was involved in deleting another clans forum. the only reason code attacked and threatened me was to get the heat of your clan for the id forums. the spam messages are pretty good proof of that fact. this is totally ridiculous and not acceptable behavior in any gaming group, but especially not in tron where the forums are key to clans.

you are just mad because i'm not being diplomatic like i was when i was dealing with the drama between vcl and id. i'm not being manipulated by you and now you don't know what to think. when code attacked me, he made it personal. i'm not on a power trip taz, i'm trying to protect my servers and forum from hate and drama.i told you that you were banned and i told you manta banned you and that it was until this was sorted out and i stand by that decision.

@lizmatic