LADLE 34

[Titanoboa]

I'm with 2020!

LIMIT_TIME has been tested in pickup matches and it has been working out great. It's definitely something to bring up for the next quarterly vote.

[Word]

I also had issues with the PRU Ladle server. I suicided a couple rounds because of the slides (I was also defending). My ping was stable in the 150-160 range, and I don't think the issue was latency related. The server seemed a little over-taxed, as in not enough memory or CPU.

i'll talk to our hoster about that, for some reason we all lag there too. We used to have no problems there until some months ago...

[PsYkO]

Hmmm..Don't think I'm a fan of the limit time, I can foresee all kinds of negatives.

To counteract the "OMG new defenses make the game boring" ... I've been thinking of a new team competition. Much like how high rubber transformed into dog fighting, the competition can prohibit the defender from either A) overlapping the tail and/or B) Defense = Double sumo tactic.

[sinewav]

LIMIT_TIME has been tested in pickup matches and it has been working out great.

Yeah I think it does work. One of the reservations people have about time limits is when a team is in the lead, they can "work the clock." This has the effect of making game very boring if a winning team decides not to take any risks.

But, teams already have a habit of not taking risks and dragging out the matches, so what's the difference?

Having a combination of LIMIT_SCORE and LIMIT_TIME would be appropriate, given that the time is sufficiently long. I'd say about 20 minutes. Right now, a final is scheduled to last about 45 minutes. Setting LIMIT_TIME 20 would make sure any final that starts on time, doesn't run longer than an hour. Realistically, matches ending because of time should be quite rare with 20 minutes to play. And if your match is running that late, well, maybe you deserve to have it cut short?

[Titanoboa]

One of the reservations people have about time limits is when a team is in the lead, they can "work the clock." This has the effect of making game very boring if a winning team decides not to take any risks.

Just want to add that the winning team well deserves the win if they can avoid all risks and still win. Boring matches? If the match is unbalanced it's boring anyway, and if it's balanced the "losing team" will fight back.

Hope the people with such reservations consider that.

I'm sorry btw, that I can't fully put my thoughts on here because of this being my second language.. doing my best though.

[INW]

Limit time will just change this entire competition...no good i would say.
Lets use an example:
Baseball works with no time limit; just one team vs. the other- just like how the ladle is set now- 9 innings for baseball and 10 rounds for ladle. Putting a limit_time on a round would make it like basketball. Each team has a shot clock in basketball where as each round has a limit_time in ladle...i dont think changing a baseball game into a basketball game would work.

Ofcourse the first team to 100 has nothing to do with the example but w/e.

[dlh]

Basketball didn't always have a shot clock. It was implemented because teams in control of the game would just stall when they had the ball, leading to the other team fouling. It turned into a free-throw shooting contest—boring (you could say the same is true today, but to a lesser extent). IMO, adding a time limit would make the Ladle like Basketball before the shot clock. If there was a setting or game-feature that enforced players to engage and attack rather than stall, I might be for it.

[PsYkO]

Basketball didn't always have a shot clock. It was implemented because teams in control of the game would just stall when they had the ball, leading to the other team fouling. It turned into a free-throw shooting contest—boring (you could say the same is true today, but to a lesser extent). IMO, adding a time limit would make the Ladle like Basketball before the shot clock. If there was a setting or game-feature that enforced players to engage and attack rather than stall, I might be for it.

But the consequence implemented from adding the shot clock is the loss of possession. There is no consequence for fortress time limit, the round just becomes null.

[sinewav]

I got it! Let's just switch to Fort-Onslaught!

But like said earlier, if the time limit was sufficiently high it would rarely come into effect anyway, just like Ladle matches rarely get to 10 rounds. Just think of it as insurance so EU players can get to sleep at a reasonable hour.






Baseball is one of the most boring sports ever, BTW.

[INW]

or which ever team has more players gets points for holding their base or something like that...if there is the same number of teammates left on both sides...neither team gets the points...that would make losing teams use risky strategies to kill opposing team members.

[INW]

Baseball is one of the most boring sports ever, BTW.

Funny how you say that when it is also the highest paid sport I do believe.

[Mkay1]

or which ever team has more players gets points for holding their base or something like that...if there is the same number of teammates left on both sides...neither team gets the points...that would make losing teams use risky strategies to kill opposing team members.

That would encourage players to hide in a corner.

Btw underwater basket weaving is the highest paid sport, from what I hear ;D

Edit: I can just picture a new default instant changing to /me wanted to download pr0n, but only got a stupid rim hugger instead.

[Lackadaisical]

Or we remove all points except for conquering the zone

[sinewav]

Or we remove all points except for conquering the zone

Not a bad idea. Been brought up before.

Baseball is one of the most boring sports ever, BTW.

Funny how you say that when it is also the highest paid sport I do believe.

Relevance? What does money have to do with how boring it is?

[owned]

I don't think putting up limit_time is a good idea because it doesn't address the true problem of why games are slow now: defenders and sweepers play extra safe. Attackers only play cautiously now because if they play risky and try to enter the opponent's base, they almost certainly will die. By adding a time limit, we are just giving the winning team an extra incentive to play slowly, and even less would happen.