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The invitation is to meet one of you, Z-man Lucifer Tank Program, on g+ or skype or something. It remains open for the month. (As it happens, I am house-sitting, and the internet connection is shite, jeopardising not only a clean recording, but play this sunday at the ladle...) I have been transpare...

Thanks for the summary, Sinewav. I remember it well. I have a slightly different take on it. I think the community tried to organise things, which turned out to be the Spoon, using traditional methods of organisation. Then we went ahead with the Tronic Ladle, using self-organising principles, challe...

The point of recording is so that it can be posted so people can see it, Z-man. Not to catch you out. And then you, and everyone else can have an opportunity to comment etc. I get what you mean with having to take time to respond. However, you've had quite a few years, and to simply say the ladle is...

I didn't presume. I requested that we do it. I put the invitation out there. Since I happened to be in front of the right computer to be able to record the conversation yesterday (sunday), it was a matter of opportunity. There is no implied slight, accusation, insult, or assumption of any kind. Ther...

no idea what this is about
even though i have read the intro
and i've played the werewolf game before and think it is the best game in the world
(yup
perhaps better than arma)

hopefully
i will be able to track it somehow...

My apology is rather more precise than what you seem to have taken from it, Z-man. Phyto and my engagement was not equal at all, not in force or intent or manner, though I have stood up to his aggression. That you remain fixed in your perspective is disheartening, but considering that he has been a ...

Now that's out of the way, 2020: you still haven't reported the PMs. Since even the first one you posted publicly has been edited away before I saw it, I don't know what precisely it was you were so upset about. From the material I see, you both are responsible for escalating; of course, you think ...

Well, I am up and alive. And the invitation is open any time for the whole day, and evening, Sunday 25 March 2012. G+ hangout, or even skype.

It would be nice if I could just do it, like I could have 5 years ago (and did when it was your Tronic progression, but I guess you forgot the role I played in making it succeed), but that's not the situation now. Exactly -- you were one of the people who did make it succeed, in the end. I just don...

If you don't want to deal with criticism, then ignore it. Simple as that. But if you want to lead, you NEVER EVER DEFEND YOURSELF. You SEE that IN THIS THREAD. Neither me nor z-man are defending ourselves, we're telling you how it is and you just need to accept it. Yes, we've read your criticisms, ...

I hear you, Lucifer. Life isn't going to get much easier as we get older. Perhaps my ideas back then seemed like pie in the sky. They were, from a certain perspective, and they were not, from another. You've got to make decisions about you and your family. So do I. You want it to succeed? You need t...

We're not taking any sides in the fight between you and phyto, 2020. We're not. But if you want to do the things you say you want to do, your actions need to bear that out, and that means ignoring Phyto when he rips into you. You need to take z-man's post a little more seriously and quit acting lik...

What we try to do is whatever it takes to keep productive discourse going. I have offered a simple solution about continuing a discourse I started 6 years ago. I have asked that you stop Phyto from pouring such aggression into my next post. That means that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU is expected to TAK...

The only reason that comes to mind is that you too, Z-man, do not wish to read my next post, probably my final suggestion to take this game to the next level. I know you wish to keep this game below the radar, but I see too much to gain socially if this game was professionalised -- with an open-sour...

Let me explain why we get mad when PMs get published. See, when two members fight publicly, they're not just arguing for each other; they are doing it for the audience. Not true in my case, I just want it to stop. I have not given underhand passes at any moderator, whoever they may be. Yes, you did...